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Please Pray for the Soul of George Tiller

May 31, 2009 | 38 Comments

George Tiller was shot to death this morning in a Wichita Church.

Please pray for his soul, and for his family.

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38 Responses to “Please Pray for the Soul of George Tiller”

  1. Margaret Catherine
    May 31st, 2009 @ 1:02 pm

    Oh, Lord. Have mercy on him, and his murderer. :(

  2. Krystal
    May 31st, 2009 @ 1:46 pm

    Is this really true?

  3. Krystal
    May 31st, 2009 @ 1:59 pm

    Ok, I guess it is true.
    May god have mercy on Tillers soul

  4. Fuinseoig
    May 31st, 2009 @ 2:25 pm

    Thanks for this request, Raving.

    I saw this news earlier on another site and am finding it very hard to pray for this man. I know we will all face the justice of God for our sins, and will be in dire need of mercy.

    This does not mean that he deserved to be murdered, nor that this is any less a crime. May the Holy Souls in Purgatory pray for all us sinners! May the Holy Innocents intercede for him!

    And may his family find support and consolation, for this is a loss of a husband and father, no matter what we think of his career.

  5. Adam
    May 31st, 2009 @ 3:02 pm

    May God have mercy on his soul.

  6. MK
    May 31st, 2009 @ 3:17 pm

    I posted on this on my blog…

    I just want to second Operation Rescue’s sentiments. While I believe George Tiller was an evil man, and guilty of murdering hundreds of viable babies, I did not wish to see him dead. Converted? Yes. Jailed? You betcha. But not dead. There is no hope for the soul of a dead person. The state they die in is the state they are judged in. I am so sad that this had to happen. I can understand the emotions that brought his killer to this point, but I cannot condone or excuse them. I pray for him, and for George Tiller’s family. This is awful. Just awful.

    I cannot know the state of George Tillers soul and I will not judge him. I can only pray that God has shown mercy to him. Lord forgive him, for he did not know what he was doing. And show mercy to the man that took his life. There are no winners here.

  7. Carla
    May 31st, 2009 @ 3:20 pm

    I am still in shock. I can hardly imagine what Tiller’s family is going through and also those who witnessed his murder.

  8. JoAnna
    May 31st, 2009 @ 3:24 pm

    What a horrible, senseless act. Prayers for George’s soul and for his family.

    Prayers for the shooter as well. He’s become what he most despised, even if he doesn’t realize.

  9. MK
    May 31st, 2009 @ 3:54 pm

    Statements from George Tiller’s family, courtesy of KWCH news:

    Dan Monnat and Lee Thompson, Dr. George Tiller’s attorneys, issued the following statement today at the request of Mrs. Jeanne Tiller, the Tiller’s four children and ten grandchildren:

    “Today we mourn the loss of our husband, father and grandfather. Today’s event is an unspeakable tragedy for all of us and for George’s friends and patients. This is particularly heart wrenching because George was shot down in his house of worship, a place of peace.

    We would like to express the family’s thanks for the many messages of sympathy from our friends and from all across the nation. We also want to thank the law enforcement officers who are investigating this crime.

    Our loss is also a loss for the City of Wichita and women across America. George dedicated his life to providing women with high-quality heath care despite frequent threats and violence. We ask that he be remembered as a good husband, father and grandfather and a dedicated servant on behalf of the rights of women everywhere.”

  10. neverina millionyrs
    May 31st, 2009 @ 4:30 pm

    I used to just disagree with conservative looneys like you all, but now I’m actually beginning to HATE conservatives. If you ever succeed in overturning RVW then I say it’s okay to have an open season on Priests, evangelist and conservatives.

    When/if that ever happens, I’ll write a blog and say “well, you reap what yow sow” Like I’ve read a dozen tines on conservative blogs in response to these murders.

    You reap what you sow….

  11. Christina
    May 31st, 2009 @ 4:32 pm

    There are so many things to say.

    One is that aside from the fact that a man was murdered — in a church, no less — decades of prolife hope have been dashed.

    We’d prayed and prayed for this man’s conversion. His conversion — the most high profile abortionist in the world — would have been a massive coup. Now all of our hopes — for him, for the women of Wichita, for woman facing prenatal diagnoses, for everything we’ve been working for all these years — seem dashed.

    On the other hand, the abortion lobby knows a coup when they see one. Yeah, they’re sad that the man is dead. But inasmuch as any of them pray, this is an answered prayer — the best thing to happen to abortion advocacy since Roe was handed down. A high profile martyr, killed in a church no less. You can’t buy this sort of publicity.

    There will be vigils tonight, tears, speeches about poor brave Dr. Tiller, champion of women’s rights, etc. (No such vigil was to be seen amongst them for Christin Gilbert. Christin who? My point exactly.) But once they get over the initial shock, the champaign corks will be popping. There will be veritable 21-gun salutes of champaign corks.

    This undoes all the progress we made with the Brownback/Kennedy bill. With the attention Sarah Palin brought to the plight of families facing a prenatal diagnosis.

    Sigh.

    As for the statement by Tiller’s family, I understand they’re grieving. I expect them to grieve. This isn’t what I wanted for him or for them. I wanted him to be the convert that eclipsed Bernard Nathanson. I wanted to welcome him as a brother. This isn’t the way I wanted things at all, for them or for anybody else.

    But I wish they’d stick to speaking for themselves. Yeah, the murder of George Tiller marks a black day for women — because of all the ground the abortion lobby will gain. The loss of an abortionist is not the loss of a champion of women’s rights any more than the loss of a Nazi is the loss of a champion of Judaism.

  12. Krystal
    May 31st, 2009 @ 4:36 pm

    neverina millionyrs, what did you smoke this mourning to make you all full of hate?

  13. Geoffrey
    May 31st, 2009 @ 5:12 pm

    “I used to just disagree with conservative looneys like you all, but now I’m actually beginning to HATE conservatives. If you ever succeed in overturning RVW then I say it’s okay to have an open season on Priests, evangelist and conservatives.
    When/if that ever happens, I’ll write a blog and say “well, you reap what yow sow” Like I’ve read a dozen tines on conservative blogs in response to these murders.
    You reap what you sow….”

    Neverina Millionyrs, I thought the concept of collective guilt when out with the Bronze Age. It’s an absolutely barbaric and wicked idea, lurking behind some of the most heinous crimes against humanity ever committed. If you truly lust for revenge with such ferocity, please realize that you are no better than those you condemn and hate.

  14. MK
    May 31st, 2009 @ 5:18 pm

    neverina,

    Could you show me where, on this blog, anyone, ANYONE, has said any of the things you’ve accused us of? Has ANYONE shown the attitude you claim we have? You are part of the problem. Each pro lifer here, INCLUDING the one that put up the post has expressed regret and sadness at the loss of a life…even a life that was directly opposed to what we believe.

    I agree, that there are probably some pro lifers out there that might feel as you say we do, but we aren’t them.

    Why don’t you find a site where the sentiments you are so vehemently opposed to are being expressed. The only hate that has been shown on this blog, the only ugliness that has reared it’s head, is from you, a pro choicer…

    While George Tiller’s murder reflects badly on the pro life movement as a whole, your attitude reflects badly on the pro choice movement. Don’t you see that?

    You have basically just threatened to do what you claim has angered you about us. I have learned from people like you that this is known in the vernacular as hypocrisy. Perhaps you need to look inward. It is this hatred that allows to fight for the right to kill children. I’ll pray for you.

  15. Christina
    May 31st, 2009 @ 5:46 pm

    To those who don’t get it, imagine that your job is to “turn” enemy spies, to get them to become double agents who give you vital information that saves tens of thousands of lives. Imagine that one of those enemy spies, who has access to all the enemy’s most vital secrets, had been your target for 35 years. If you could turn him, it would be a mighty blow to the enemy, one from which they might never recover.

    And then some dillwad went and shot that spy, in such a time and place as to score a huge PR coup for the enemy and to set back your work at least ten years.

    THAT’S WHAT HAPPENED TO PROLIFERS TODAY.

    Totally aside from the fact that a man was murdered, we’re watching all of our hard work and dedication get torn to shreds by a gleeful press. This is a huge, massive, demoralizing blow.

  16. MK
    May 31st, 2009 @ 6:38 pm

    Amen Christina.

  17. Lily
    May 31st, 2009 @ 6:58 pm

    Mark Shea said it well on his blog–

    He (Tiller) was a monster who justified what he did by the good ends he claimed he was aiming for.

    In that, he was a kindred spirit with the person who murdered him.

    I suppose it is inevitable that we would attract one or two pro-abortion types breathing fire and threats of revenge. Neverina is simply channeling all violent, sick souls. I think we all understand feeling passionately about issues. But to decide that one hates anyone, particularly an ill-defined, huge group like “conservatives” is either not a mature, or else it is not a healthy, mindset. It is certainly the mindset that drove Tiller’s murderer.

    If Roe v Wade is ever overturned, it will happen by the will of the majority in the democratic process. Do you not respect the democratic process, neverina? You apparently don’t respect the right to life of a huge number of people. Do your respect anyone’s right to life?

    If you don’t, I guess it is easy to understand how you would declare “open season” on so huge and disparate a group as Priests, evangelist(sic)and conservatives. But is that what you really want?

    Hasn’t enough blood been shed? If not, when will it be enough?

  18. Christina
    May 31st, 2009 @ 7:06 pm

    Some Tiller supporters are confusing recognizing the evil that he did with celebrating his murder.

    But I bet I can think of an example of of Tiller’s supporters recognizing the evil somebody did, while not wishing them dead.

    Every time a murderer is executed.

    You can hate, for example, what Ted Bundy did to Kimberly Leach, the Chi Omega sisters, and his other victims, and still not have wanted to see him fry.

    You can hate what he did, in fact, and actually be sorry and upset that he fried.

    Not because you thought he’d done no evil, but because you thought killing him was to indulge in that same evil.

    THAT is how prolifers can despise what Tiller did, and still not wish to see him murdered.

    Can you understand that?

  19. Ilíon
    June 1st, 2009 @ 12:48 am

    Lily:Hasn’t enough blood been shed? If not, when will it be enough?

    Obviously, enough will be enough when it’s enough.

    Linclon, speaking of the Civil War: “Yet, if God wills that it continue, until all the wealth piled by the bond-man’s two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash, shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said “the judgments of the Lord, are true and righteous altogether.”

    The same remains true today of the blood on America’s hands.

  20. Beelzebub
    June 1st, 2009 @ 1:42 am

    Mk says: “There are no winners here.”

    You got that right. Unfortunately the only consequence here — aside from taking out Tiller’s clinic for good or ill — is more division, more polarization and far less discussion in the aftermath. And probably ensuing violence and unilateral action/legislation, etc. I’m afraid my vision of rational compromise just took a giant leap backward for Mankind. On thing I think pro-life people sense instinctively is that today’s event will probably not be a net gain for them.

  21. Erin
    June 1st, 2009 @ 11:43 am

    ugh. What a terrible end to that man’s life.

  22. Melissa
    June 1st, 2009 @ 3:00 pm

    Truly sad indeed. There’s no hope for his soul if he never repented and accepted Christ. :( I’ll pray for his family.

  23. Christina
    June 1st, 2009 @ 7:16 pm

    Whenever an abortionist kills a patient, the response of the abortion lobby is to dismiss the death as an aberration. These deaths happen about ten times a year. (That the CDC admits to.)

    No matter how heinous the malpractice — having a “hand holder” assist with general anesthesia, shoving a hemorrhaging patient out the door in a wheelchair to bleed to death, massively overdosing a patient then leaving her unattended to lapse into a coma — we’re told that we’re not to let these “few bad apples” color our opinion of abortion practitioners in general. Think of the hundreds of abortionists who didn’t kill patients this year!

    But when an abortionist gets shot, the perspective changes. Suddenly the act of JUST ONE PERSON is a reflection of the roughly 160 million other people who object to abortion. His actions are representative. All those antichoicers are JUST LIKE HIM. We’re not to look at the actions of the 160 million prolifers who have done nothing violent. We’re only to look at this one guy. He’s representative.

    Ten dead patients a year aren’t a sign that abortionists are sloppy.

    One dead abortionist every ten years, however, is a sign that prolifers are violent.

    Which is just the sort of logic I’d expect from the movement that asserts that you honor motherhood by killing babies.

  24. BenYachov(Jim Scott 4th)
    June 3rd, 2009 @ 12:24 pm

    Let’s not forget Pro-choice fanatics who murder Pro-lifers. Pro-choice Eillen Janezic killed Pro-Life Radio Minister Rev Jerry Simon because she hated his radio show.
    She shot him threw the window of his house.

    Then there is Byron Looper a Pro-choice politician who shot his pro-life rival in the eye & killed him.

    I don’t here Patricia Ireland apologizing for these murders but for some reason she thinks we all need to collectively apologize for Tiller.

    Amazing.

  25. BenYachov
    June 3rd, 2009 @ 12:37 pm

    If I’m doing duplicate post I apologize. My Computer is weird.

  26. MB
    June 3rd, 2009 @ 3:54 pm

    @Christina
    “Some Tiller supporters are confusing recognizing the evil that he did with celebrating his murder.”

    Yes, looking over Tiller’s practice, one can see a lot of evil. Women who were carrying babies who would either die in utero, or at best have a very short and agonizing lives came to Tiller, and he helped them by terminating the pregnancy. That is indeed a great and grave evil. After all, we know that God delights in suffering.

    “Whenever an abortionist kills a patient, the response of the abortion lobby is to dismiss the death as an aberration. ”

    Oh, it is not an aberration at all. It is an entirely predictable consequence of the actions of pro-life movement. Who will choose a career where they’ll have to worry about their safety, the safety of their families, and have endure constant attacks and accusations? A few people who are truly dedicated, and many people who for some reason – such as incompetence – have little or no choice in their medical careers.

    Oh, and let me mention something. I’m not a supporter of abortion. I would *love* it if we could reduce or stop abortions in this country.

    However, I have come to see the pro-life lobby as the main obstacle in this. Your rhetoric and actions are doing the same thing to the anti-abortion cause that PETA is doing to the animal rights cause: alienating and repulsing people, using overblown and frequently false rhetoric, and obsessively insisting on banning and illegalization of the procedure. How well are those bans and those laws working in, say, South America? Well, they at least kill many more mothers along with their babies.

    Worst of all, it is the same lobby – Christian pro-lifers – who oppose any meaningful sexual education for fear that it will “lead children into sin” (I had students – I teach university biology – who seriously believed that sex standing up cannot lead to pregnancy).

    The same people who year after year elect the “taxes can only be cut” conservatives into office, which leads to reduced services for poor women (and men), further undermines the educational system, and removes any possibility of a decent universal health-care (what should a mother of three do if she learns that her unborn baby will require lifelong, expensive medical care? bankrupt her family, trash the hopes of her other children, and hope that they’ll somehow make it? pro-life movement certainly won’t help).

    Abortions will stop when pro-life movement stops and faces reality. Until then, majority of people like myself – who don’t like abortion, but see it as a lesser evil compared to what you have to offer – will keep supporting choice.

    Oh, and Christine? Pro-life organizations like Operation Rescue publish private information of abortion providers. They egg their members on to harass the clinic staff at any and every opportunity. Saying that they are oh so sorry when a doctor gets killed has about as much truth to it as when an “America is Satan” mullah abhors the terrorist attacks.

    I would be willing to consider the murder itself as an act of a deranged individual. The sheer hypocrisy and hysteria of your responses (see Raving Lunatic’s “answer” to Obama’s comment on the murder) cements my belief that you have to be opposed at almost any price – even if our goal is ostensibly the same.

  27. Lily
    June 3rd, 2009 @ 4:15 pm

    MB– you have brought up every “liberal” canard in the book. If you have students who believe they can’t get pregnant standing up, they are too stupid to be in college. My undergrads were far better informed– and they were studying literature! If after 40 years of unrelenting “sex” education and the incessant chatter about sex in every conceivable venue, yours don’t know any better, I would suggest that your preferred approach needs to be reviewed. It isn’t doing the job.

    I also suggest, without much hope, that you visit Christina’s blog and click on “Cemetary of Choice.” The sickening butchery of women by abortionists is carefully documented in meticulous detail. Then come back and defend that butchery, if you wish.

    Pro life rhetoric is mild, maybe too mild given the horrors perpetrated against women and children every single day in the abortuaries in this country.

  28. JoAnna (aka Crazy Bitch)
    June 3rd, 2009 @ 5:19 pm

    MB, I’m curious. Do you also rant and rave about how sites like eightmaps.com incite people to violence, or is that different somehow?

    Tiller’s practice performed abortions on perfectly healthy infants as well as terminally ill ones. In fact, I’d say the latter were the bulk of his practice. He used excuses like “temporary depression of the mother”.

    For someone who is allegedly an educator, your ability to fact-check seems rather lacking.

  29. JoAnna (aka Crazy Bitch)
    June 3rd, 2009 @ 5:20 pm

    An error above – should say “the former, and not the latter”

  30. GregB
    June 15th, 2009 @ 8:35 am

    >I thought the concept of collective guilt when out with the Bronze Age.

    Funny, you Christians don’t seem to have a problem believing in any other Bronze Age myths. Or is it true that Christianity is just a menu choice at the buffet sort of religion. You pick the parts that support the beliefs you already have and ignore the violent, stupid, ignorant and logically fallacious parts?

    Yeah, you go ahead and pray for his soul. That way you can feel like your contributing without actually doing anything.

  31. жEлтЫйкOт
    October 18th, 2009 @ 9:16 am

    Интересно стало, а комментарии которые не нравятся автору здесь трут? :)

  32. Reece Khan
    June 30th, 2010 @ 9:23 am

    the good thing about choosing a medical career is that it is a high paying job..*.

  33. Valeria Kelly
    July 25th, 2010 @ 11:25 pm

    i would also like to pursue a medical career since the pay is good.`~:

  34. Ryan Green
    September 12th, 2010 @ 7:41 am

    medical career is one of the highest paying jobs on these days;`~

  35. linda
    March 26th, 2011 @ 10:00 am

    pray for the soul of george tiller its like prying for a evil pidofiles soul i realize im the one telling the truth evil bully george tiller was swifting the blame top other people ive met people like him why cant everyone be like scott rider ive a lot of respect for scott rider everyone whos been bullied at scholl has

  36. linda
    April 27th, 2011 @ 8:23 am

    george tillers soul was evil and handicapped you never know who you can trust if people agree with him if he hadnt of killed babies he would still be here i sympatize with scott rider

  37. LINDA
    June 22nd, 2011 @ 8:50 am

    ROBERT P GEORGE TINKS GOOD SAMARTIAN SCOTT WHO I THINK SHOULD HAVE A MEDAL HAS DONE A GRAVELY WICKED THING IS ROBERT TO THICK TO REALIZE BABYKILLING IS THE LOWEST OF THE LOW WHY ARE PEOPLE TO THICK TO SEE THAT SCOTT SAVES CHILDRENS LIVES AND MY DEPRESSION GT WAS EVIL AND GRAVELY WICKED WHATS UP WITH ROBERT IS ROBERT DAFT OR IS HE A BABY KILLER TO SCOTT MIGHT DO SOMETHING TO ROBERT NEXT I WOULDNT BLAME HIM HOW CAN ANYONE AGREE WITH BABY KILLING

  38. linda
    July 14th, 2011 @ 5:51 am

    anyone replying pray for georges soul do to it what he did to them poor babies free scott rider to why didnt pido gt got locked up for killing all them babies is the law so stupid cheers to lovely kindhearted scott rider who i wish everyone could be like him at least theres somepoeple out there who care like scott what did scott do wrong and way scott should have a medal

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