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  1. Christina
    January 17th, 2009 @ 12:20 am

    Totally OT, but I was stunned so I just had to blog about how much LeRoy Carhart’s abortion mill looks like a transmission shop.

    I can never quite get used to how tacky these guys are. Tacky yet weirdly respectable. After all, they’re Champions of Choice. Right?

  2. skeptimal
    January 17th, 2009 @ 7:51 am

    So tell me, when they siphoned out your personality and replaced it with that of my first grade Sunday school teacher, did it hurt?

  3. Beelzebub
    January 17th, 2009 @ 8:17 am

    baba deba deba deba deba deba deba

    jaba jeshu ii ii sheba sheba sheba sheba

    onka lalala

    shi shibi shibi shibi

    bu bu baba limi?

    bu?

  4. Louise
    January 17th, 2009 @ 8:30 am

    Beelzebabbler

  5. Fuinseoig
    January 17th, 2009 @ 8:39 am

    Ah, Beelzebub, those are the lyrics to the 1976 Luxembourg entry in the Eurovision, right?

    Raving Theist, should have told you earlier, but congratulations! Welcome to the family!

  6. Beelzebub
    January 17th, 2009 @ 8:44 am

    Well, without the “tongues,” you can’t tell me that Rt’s behavior doesn’t have you a bit worried, can you? I mean even the rational Catholics here, so avid to contribute to the series of puns must be starting to get a little worried. Oh, go ahead and admit it! Ha! It’s almost too good! Your convert is stark raving insane! He he! This is just too good. I can’t wait for another headline. We might as well be 2 millenia back in time, the insight on your minds. Crazy Xtians..

  7. Beelzebub
    January 17th, 2009 @ 9:01 am

    Nobody here is addressing RT anymore. Your mascot is coo- coo crazy. Or too horseshit scared to actually face the music. Either way, it’s sad and he/she has my sympathies. One should not be in that position that late in life. I feel my extraordinary wit would be better utilized elsewhere.

  8. skeptimal
    January 17th, 2009 @ 9:10 am

    “you can’t tell me that Rt’s behavior doesn’t have you a bit worried, can you?”

    I agree with demon boy. There’s something unhealthy about this kind of personality shift, and the humor is beginning to get silly. Conversion is one thing, but this is beginning to seem like something else.

  9. Beelzebub
    January 17th, 2009 @ 9:35 am

    Word, homeboy. Odd, very odd. Perhaps if somebody could finally tell me — (yes, that means you, YOU reading this) — whether there was ever rational discourse here, I would feel a little less creeped out here. But this is getting a little nightmarish.

  10. Beelzebub
    January 17th, 2009 @ 9:52 am

    But, in all seriousness, RT, if you aren’t just being an ass and are actually having some kind of breakdown (and since my brother has paranoid schizophrenia, I consider myselef an amateur expert on the subject) please get some help. Don’t be an idiot. This blog means nothing. Turn off the computer now and call someone like a brother, sister, mom or dad.

  11. Fuinseoig
    January 17th, 2009 @ 10:22 am

    Puns? There are puns on here?

    Can’t say as I’ve noticed, but then again, witch-burning and heresy-hunting do leave very little free time to keep up with events – have you tried getting soot-marks out? Nearly as bad as blood!

  12. Lily
    January 17th, 2009 @ 10:55 am

    Christina– Nothing an abortionist does can surprise me. Certainly the loss of his “records” could prove convenient, indeed. But as for his choice of location, I rather suspect that real health providers would prefer he not come anywhere near them.

  13. Baroquem
    January 17th, 2009 @ 10:59 am

    When all else fails, question your target’s sanity, eh, Beelzebub? Classic, classic.

  14. skeptimal
    January 17th, 2009 @ 12:26 pm

    “When all else fails, question your target’s sanity, eh, Beelzebub? Classic, classic.”

    He’s on to us, Beel. They weren’t supposed to figure out our plan to institutionalize all the Christians until we’d already taken all their leaders.

    Baroque, the problem (at least for me) is not the position RA/RT is taking. I think he’s wrong, but since 90% of the country disagrees with my point of view, it’s hardly unusual to talk to someone I disagree with. (Not that RT is really talking).

    People convert from one view to another all the time, but this is different. If an Evangelical Christian known for intellectual debate with atheists were to suddenly announce his atheism, refuse to talk about it, and start posting simplistic and condescending comments about Christianity, it would be just as unsettling.

  15. Trivia Question Answer : The Raving Theist
    January 17th, 2009 @ 3:43 pm

    […] as I am with some form of multiple personality disorder (or so Beelzebub advises me) I am reminded of the similar confusion over the “coming out” date of Shirely Ardell […]

  16. Baroquem
    January 17th, 2009 @ 8:52 pm

    skeptimal,

    I sympathize and fully understand how it might be unsettling. However, I see nothing in the man’s writings to even suggest that he’s “stark raving insane” or “coo-coo crazy”. It simply doesn’t stand up, and to make the suggestion comes across either as grasping at straws or, sadly, wishful thinking or, worse, an attempt to discredit the new views being proffered. That last is a rather cheap method of rhetorical attack, and it was that which I was commenting upon. Cheers.

  17. skeptimal
    January 18th, 2009 @ 9:15 am

    “However, I see nothing in the man’s writings to even suggest that he’s “stark raving insane” or “coo-coo crazy”.”

    Fair enough. I took B’s comment as more of a rhetorical flourish than a serious assessment of RA/RT’s mental state.

    Personally, I believe RA/RT should put the blog to bed for another year. If he has reached this decision to convert through logical, non-emotional means, he will eventually have a lot of value to say. The decision itself, however, can not have been easy given his past rhetoric, and living with that decision can not be easy either.

    When you move from one view to another, there is always a gray period where you move back and forth across the line getting used to the new mental geography. He acts like someone who needs more time to sort this through (and possibly to question whether his logic was sound).

  18. JoAnna
    January 18th, 2009 @ 10:57 am

    Beezelbub, call a psychiatrist and tell them that you have a friend who really likes puns, and does this definitively prove he’s insane or is it just a contributing factor?

    Seriously, I’d love to know what he says.

  19. Liy
    January 18th, 2009 @ 11:03 am

    I am baffled by your continued belief, skeptimal, and that of a couple of others that RT owes you any explanation at all. He simply doesn’t. Your curiosity is not his problem.

    Why should he stop blogging? He has a right, as does everyone else, to blog on any and every subject he wishes to. For all I know, he may have in mind turning this into a literary blog– maybe Limericks are next or Terza rima!

    But more seriously, while I understand that conversion is a subject that is inherently interesting, it is clear that many of you are not interested in an explanation, per se, but in arguing with RT about the “soundness” of his logic. What is absolutely predictable is that I and his many theist friends will ride into the fray, the comments will become very heated and grow to gargantuan lengths, just like a couple of others.

    The atheists will be their usual ugly, pornographic selves and it will quickly be ugly, very ugly. There are enough atheist sewers out there, why should RT let his blog be turned into another? Who needs that?

    Of course, I could be completely wrong. Maybe RT is composing his apologia in Alexandrian couplets, polishing it and dividing it up into logical units for posting, as I write. Maybe, and this would be very cool, he will require anyone who wants to respond, to do so in dactylic hexameter. Now that would be a way to keep the comments under control …

  20. Irreligious
    January 18th, 2009 @ 11:50 am

    Lily wrote:
    “The atheists will be their usual ugly, pornographic selves and it will quickly be ugly, very ugly.”

    This observation of yours, is it similar in any way to when an atheist notices that some Christians are crabby? Hmmm?

  21. Liy
    January 18th, 2009 @ 11:58 am

    No.

  22. skeptimal
    January 18th, 2009 @ 3:49 pm

    “I am baffled by your continued belief, skeptimal, and that of a couple of others that RT owes you any explanation at all.”

    No, he doesn’t owe anyone an explanation. If he doesn’t care about credibility with non-theists, then this will become just another Christian blog preaching to its own choir. I can’t imagine that’s what he wants, but I can’t read his mind.

    Regarding my suggestion that he suspend the blog for a while, you can believe or not that it’s a sincere suggestion of what I would do if I were in his shoes. I’m serious when I speak of the gray period after a conversion experience. A year or two from now, his thinking may be clearer, and he’ll either have given up Christianity or he’ll be better able to communicate himself.

  23. Lily
    January 18th, 2009 @ 6:58 pm

    Skeptimal, I have never known a single atheist who gives any theist credibility and I have a *lot* of experience with RT’s former readers. I doubt there is anything he could write, no matter how intelligent and thoughtful, that would not be met with a firestorm of criticism; most of it vulgar and beside the point. I also don’t know in what direction he wishes to take this blog. Since blogging is work, the direction will not likely be put to a vote, I don’t suppose.

    And what can you possibly mean by a “gray period” after conversion? I have never heard of such a thing. For every Saul on the road to Damascus, there are thousands for whom conversion is a slow and thoughtful process. I know in my own case it was a good 3 years from the day I first seriously entertained the thought that Jesus might be who he says he is, until the day in 1975 (Mother’s Day weekend to be more precise) when it hit me that I believed. No more doubts or reservations.

    In other words, there was no “high” to come down from and no gray period to work through. Just lots of joy. I suppose high profile celebrity conversions might sometimes be different– especially if you get dragged out into public immediately to “testify” long before you have had a chance to settle down. But I have no acquaintance with celebs so I don’t know how often that might be the case.

    I think you are sincere and mean well when you write: “his thinking may be clearer, and he’ll either have given up Christianity or he’ll be better able to communicate himself” but to Christian ears that sounds amazingly and somewhat amusingly arrogant.

  24. skeptimal
    January 18th, 2009 @ 7:19 pm

    “I know in my own case it was a good 3 years from the day I first seriously entertained the thought that Jesus might be who he says he is, until the day in 1975 (Mother’s Day weekend to be more precise) when it hit me that I believed. No more doubts or reservations.”

    That’s the gray period I’m talking about. In your case, it happened before you formally became a Christian. My point is: it takes time.

    “…but to Christian ears that sounds amazingly and somewhat amusingly arrogant.”

    Most things seem to.

    “…I have never known a single atheist who gives any theist credibility and I have a *lot* of experience with RT’s former readers….”

    Well, then I guess there’s no point in our even talking. We, as non-theists, are hopeless sinners who aren’t capable of reason any way.

  25. Lily
    January 18th, 2009 @ 7:33 pm

    “We, as non-theists, are hopeless sinners who aren’t capable of reason any way”.

    All of us are sinners. That has little to do with it. Most of the atheists I have encountered are incapable of good manners, humor (other than pornographic– which is not really humor at all), humility, or enough respect for the humanity of the people with whom they diagree to exercise reason at all. They are too busy trying to score points and entertain each other. I *know* there are plenty of exceptions but the Internet tends to bring out the worst in people and to attract some rough sorts.

    Are you different? I have known a few who are. If so, I will be very glad to read what you have to say on various issues. But my experience, and it is long and deep, will very likely always make me wary.

  26. GuidingLight
    January 18th, 2009 @ 8:41 pm

    Lily,
    Please excuse my interruption, but it seems you are at the end of your conversation.

    If you tire of listening to issues of others, and would grow wary of explaining and enlightening others, why do you bother to blog on this site? It would seem the purpose here is to share viewpoints, which are all valid, with the other participants, regardless of there belief structure. Is this not true?

    Skeptimal is here because he is seeking to learn, from you and others. His points are valid and his skepticism well founded. He may also wish to share his knowledge with you. He is indeed religious, since he frequents a religious site. But he has many questions that are not answered in the bible, which I suspect he has read. Albeit, his thirst for evidence is not quenched. Would you not allow him to drink of your experiences?

  27. Lily
    January 18th, 2009 @ 9:20 pm

    There is no such thing as “the end of my conversation”! I will talk until the end of time. There is every possibility that I will weary the Lord himself, if given the chance, on that score.

    The issue I was alluding to here was the response that will greet RT’s story, if and when he shares it. I do not agree that he owes it to anyone, particularly since the response is not going to be edifying. Am I guessing, when I write this? No, I have already heard an earful, virtually speaking, from his former friends on the subject.

    Unfortunately, my experience has made me gun-shy. That is why I was very rude, though not intentionally so, when I asked in my last message if Skeptimal is different. I can see that he is and it was wrong to suggest anything else. I *know* that there are plenty of atheists with whom we can have good, mutually edifying conversations. It is just that I have experienced something very different and it has changed me and left me very suspicious and prickly.

    So far as I am concerned, everyone can raise any and all issues that they like. It is not my blog. I am merely expressing an opinion here that the timing of any explanation RT cares to make is entirely up to him. He is unlikely to forget that his readers are interested.

  28. Margaret Catherine
    January 18th, 2009 @ 10:15 pm

    Skeptimal – Makes sense to this Christian, and sounds neither amusing nor arrogant. That gray period does exist, I’ll vouch for that on personal experience (which it sounds as though you have had as well?). But all we are doing here is sitting around trying to psychoanalyze RT. (Voids do beg to be filled, no question!) Back in ’06, he referenced the movie ‘A Man For All Seasons'; there’s another quote that keeps coming to mind now. “None of you knows what I think, and if you guess at what I think and bruit it about, you do me no good service.”

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