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How About You?

October 1, 2006 | 127 Comments

Would an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-good being have bothered to create you, and if not, why not?

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127 Responses to “How About You?”

  1. HeathenLifer
    October 1st, 2006 @ 7:23 pm

    Yay! I’m first! NO, an all-everything god would not have bothered to create me, nor would he have bothered to create 90% of the humans alive. It’d be overkill (after all, he only wanted 2). Nit everyone’s life has great purpose, not everyone is a star for millions to see. A lot of us are ‘extras’ and our meaning is what we make it.

  2. Adam
    October 1st, 2006 @ 9:56 pm

    But does the size or fame of the role make any difference to how important it is?

    You may save the world from some great conspiracy or just slop the pigs in the morning. Either way, you have something to do, and that makes you important in some way or another. This may sound like babble, but is there any other way to look at it without being snide, depressed, or going insane?

  3. ocmpoma
    October 1st, 2006 @ 10:50 pm

    No, because, as the Raving Atheist pointed out here (back when he was sane), such a being cannot exist.

  4. Kate B.
    October 2nd, 2006 @ 8:04 am

    “Would an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-good being have bothered to create you?”

    Well, yes. After all, He did.

  5. Erik
    October 2nd, 2006 @ 10:13 am

    Excuse me, but what does “bothered” mean in this context?

    I mean, “bothered” to me means that the performance of some task “X” will interfere with another task. In other words, I have limited time, so I am only bothered because I would be spending time on “X” when I’d rather be doing “Y”. But presumably, this means absolutely nothing to the eternal omni-everything deity.

  6. heathenlifer
    October 2nd, 2006 @ 10:37 am

    My life has the purpose I instill in it. Its very important stuff – to me. And your stuff is important – to you. We are all extras in the sense that our area of influence is small, unless I don’t know it and you’re my senator. In that case, we need to talk. If an omni everything diety was going to ‘bother’ to create people, I would hope he would do it correctly, with a unified system where areas of inluence included the whole system. This way pieces and parts are not left out. Its not a matter of being snide, its just a good way to see that we are all extras, and as such, have the same rights. The not-god-given ones.

  7. SuX0rZ
    October 2nd, 2006 @ 11:41 pm

    no

  8. benjamin
    October 3rd, 2006 @ 8:57 am

    No. Would you bother to pop the tape into the VCR to watch a movie you already had completely memorized? There’s nothing you could possibly gain from doing so. God’s supposed omniscience makes his omnipotence a moot point. There’s no reason to do anything when you already know everything.

  9. BG
    October 3rd, 2006 @ 10:00 am

    From invisible and visible substances I created man. From both his natures come both death and life. And as my image he knows the word like no other creature. But even at his greatest he is small, and again at his smallest he is great.
    -2 ENOCH:30

    Can the pot say to the potter, “Why have you made me thus?”

    He “bothered”. It amazes me because like blind men trying to describe the elephant by feeling one part, I have a diminished capacity to “feel” the whole reason for my existance.

  10. Jahrta
    October 3rd, 2006 @ 11:58 am

    And yet, BG, a great many of us sane individuals would posit that you have yet to feel any part of this devine “elephant,” because it’s not there. I would prefer to be a blind man than a retarded one.

  11. severalspeciesof
    October 3rd, 2006 @ 12:05 pm

    I’m in agreement with ocmpoma.

  12. Andrea
    October 3rd, 2006 @ 7:58 pm

    How am I supposed to know what it means for this being to be “all good” when I don’t know the standard for good? The “all knowing” characteristic includes knowing what people will do in the future, so it seems a little sadistic to create all these people just to watch them run around following the script its written for them. Doesn’t seem too “good” to me, but then, we probably have different standards… I’m assuming I don’t share many qualities with this being.

    I have no idea if this being would have bothered to create me, mostly because I have no idea what this being’s objective is. This being could create terrible, evil people just to test the evil people’s capacity to change or the not-so-evil people’s reactions to the evil people. All of this seems pointless, and thus really weird, to me at least.

  13. PhalseProphet
    October 3rd, 2006 @ 11:48 pm

    Certainly not, and I’ll take the fifth on why, however it does seem that contemporary man would be considered a complete failure when weighed against what an omni-powerful being could have created versus the product currently being produced under that label.

  14. Allen
    October 4th, 2006 @ 7:34 am

    Only if he is also sadistic and cruel

  15. Annie Banno
    October 7th, 2006 @ 7:52 pm

    “I would prefer to be a blind man than a retarded one.”

    Ah, again with the ad hominem attacks. Don’t you (general “you”) who engage in such stuff here ever bother to check out the Harris Protocol before you speak? http://rebelution.blogspot.com/2005/08/you-read-it-right-complete-blog.html

    You’d lend yourselves and your arguments so much more credibility if you did.

  16. Sarf
    October 10th, 2006 @ 4:44 am

    Ah, but Banno, in matters of where some consider faith to be above reason, what possible other name could we use for a person that insists that God exists, created themselves and considers everyone who thinks otherwise as blind?

    Perhaps retarded was a bit misleading – but if it was used in vernacular/insulting sense, might I suggest that we use insane instead? Unreasonable – in the original sense – might also work, but lacks some of the verbal “oomph” that insane has.

    On a tangential note, expecting moderation from “fundamental atheists” is just as silly as expecting it from any other sort of fundementalist.

    Sarf

  17. Sarf
    October 10th, 2006 @ 5:01 am

    Oh, and a peeked into that site (nice link – thanks a lot for it) a bit.

    The problem is Step One:
    “Remember that your opponents have come to their conclusions using more or less the same rational process you have.”

    According to most atheists, theists does not use the “same rational process” as an atheist does in the case of existance of a god.

    If we use theism as
    “Theism is the belief in the existence of one or more gods or deities.”
    and atheists as
    “Atheism is a lack of belief in the existence of gods or deities.” (quotes gotten from Wikipedia)

    My conclusion of those two definitions is that there is a difference of belief, and that the belief in question is not subject to the rational process – on either side, if you’re strict about it, since you can argue that we don’t have any evidence that there *isn’t* one or more gods about, which you argue is a reason for not disbelieving them prematurely.

    However, rationally speaking, if we have no data then making up theories is just a waste of time – a fun waste of time, though.

    Unfortunately, this leads us to a problem where atheists and theists can not argue rationally about the existance of one or more gods.

    Do note that my definitions here are based on the “strict” definitions – atheists *believe* that there are no god or gods, theists *believe* that there are a god or gods. A lot of people define atheists as lacking the belief in god/gods, not as actively disbelieving them. There is a small but significant difference.

    Uhm… well… this turned out a mite longer than I had hoped. Anyhow!

    Sarf

  18. Irreligious
    October 10th, 2006 @ 11:29 am

    No.”We” perpetuate the creation of an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-good being for our own individual ends. These include, but are not limited to:

    1.) satisfying our need for an answer to the ultimate purpose of our existence; 2.) providing moral guidance in the face of an abundance of uncertain choices; 3.) calming our baser instincts and, more importantly, excercising control over the behavior of others; 4.) indulging our sense of superiority in the persistence of our unfounded beliefs; 5.) placating the desire for an eternal reward in the face of impending death; 6.) and massaging the the very human need to see those who disagree with our principles ultimately punished, and severely so, for their audacity.

    In the sheer vastness of the great unknown, this all-purpose diety was created by man to do his bidding in the only realm that we can truly know– the one that exists in the here and now.

  19. Mike
    October 16th, 2006 @ 10:56 am

    No. An all-knowing being would have known that we are so flawed (i.e. – elect G.W.B. twice in a row on purpose) that we would inevitably prove it’s own flaw by being flawed and therefore limit it’s all-powerfulness. Which would mean two out three of his all-somethingness would be flawed and in an attempt at banishing us from eden for our sins trades in the all-goodness for pinishment. Sounds like a lot of stress to place on one’s self when you can be creating perfect utopian societies where the color of your skin was as important as the function of your appendix. (Which I might add is yet another puzzle in this being’s perfection.)

  20. Tom
    October 16th, 2006 @ 12:24 pm

    Before I can decide why an “all-powerful, all-knowing, all-good being” would have created me personally, I first have to figure out why that being would come up with such an over-complicated and faulty general design as the human body. Creationists see evidence of God’s design in the “complexity” of the universe. But what human designer has ever intentionally arranged or configured a design to be as needlessly complex as the universe? Simplicity is the halmark of design – intellegent design anyway – which, by the creationist’s own admission, is absent from the universe.

  21. Choobus
    October 17th, 2006 @ 6:06 pm

    I am living proof that there is no god.

    Any god who would create someone as awful as me would vanish in a cloud of self contradictory logic, or, to put it in deistic terms, would disappear right up its own fucking arsehole.

  22. Naijiew
    October 18th, 2006 @ 3:48 am

    YES!

    Well, we all know there is only One True God. And you know, being the only fella around can be pretty boring and lonely. He needs Toys! Well, he intended to create 2… but apparently things went out of hand…

    Don’t you feel good when you have millions of people kneeling and kowtowing to you every Sunday and thanking you before every meal?

    Damn, don’t you people read the Bible at all?

    May His Noodly Appendages touch you. RAmen.

  23. kbrown
    October 20th, 2006 @ 7:40 pm

    No. Our whole species no more has a special purpose than the trillions of insects that hatch out every day. A creator god would have to be incredibly inept, stupid or evil, or all three at once, to have created living things the way they are. Rather than suppose that, it’s much more logical to assume there is no such god.
    I use to blame god and adam and eve when i was a kid for this shitty mess, and I was pretty bitter, but I mellowed out when I realized there really was no one to blame! We are all responsible for helping each other.
    There’s nobody else.

  24. bamatrader
    October 31st, 2006 @ 4:10 pm

    Absolutely! Why? Because I am created in His image and have significant value and worth to Him and He loves me with and eternal love.

  25. Larry
    November 1st, 2006 @ 4:38 pm

    If I were a Rolls Royce and could talk, and now I was in the junkyard. I might wonder if any sane engineer could have wanted to make a rusted, banged up heap like me.
    But that wouldn’t mean that I wouldn’t be justified in believing in engineers. If I could think, I would realize that it was the person that forgot to change my oil and maintain my parts that allowed me to stop working properly. I might also remember that this same person was the one who got drunk and drove me into a brick wall that ultimately put me in the junkyard. This would have nothing to do with the original engineer who created a beautiful, luxurious vehicle.
    The very fact that we can surmise that our lives are somehow ‘wrong’ might tend to show that, however we arrived here, we have a sense that there should be a ‘right’ way for humanity to live. The Bible’s point is to strive for that ‘right'(eous) ideal.

  26. Themercifulcarpenter
    November 2nd, 2006 @ 10:31 pm

    Yes, i think he would and he wasnt bothered by it. By what my beliefs are and my bible says we were put here to praise him in everything we do thats why we are here.He has chosen a task for us here on earth(by task i mean our job what we will do the rest of our lives) to fulfill. He also instilled in us free will thats why your an atheist and im a Christian because we have free will its our choice.

  27. JackH
    December 16th, 2008 @ 6:08 am

    Wouldn’t have been worth the effort.
    I was supposed to die well before I reached maturity.

  28. JackH
    December 22nd, 2008 @ 11:27 am

    it would’ve been a waste of time (unless god creates with an eye to medical advances) as a sufferer of juvenile-onset type-1 diabetes i was never supposed to perpetuate my genes,  i have heard that one (perpetuation of gene) throws doubt upon the existance of the other (god) but i’m not sure what that’s about!

  29. JackH
    December 22nd, 2008 @ 11:30 am

    how about that? one post to posit it, one post to explain it… 

    one post to rule them all!!!

  30. Nicole
    December 23rd, 2008 @ 1:39 pm

    nope.  Some of you might remember the Start Trek movie where Kirk meets a being who claims to be god. This being is trapped in space warp of some sort and tells Kirk that he needs the Enterprise to escape. Kirk ask the being “what does god need with a star ship”. Of course the being was not god, but the question was a good one and one worth expanding to “What does a god need with anything?”  The answer is  a god wouldn’t need anything, earth, sun, stars, universe etc  — including me.

  31. Lord Zero
    December 23rd, 2008 @ 3:24 pm

    Of course not. Doesnt make any sense. A god wouldnt make a world where people suffer not knowing why. Not being all-good. Plus we all know than omnipotence cant exist.
    Since god cant create a rock so heavy than he cant lift it.

    And like it was said above, why bothering to create something when you already know the outcome ? Whatever what god can create, he already knows. Plus he must know what he himself its going to make.
    Omnicience its ilogical.

    And well, im too in the way of thinking than the only value than my life has is the one which i gave to it myself.

    I dont need a bearded fairy in the sky to tell me what i have to feel about myself.

  32. Renee
    December 24th, 2008 @ 5:39 pm

    Yup.  I am pretty freakin’ entertaining, if I do say so myself.  What I don’t understand is why a god would create a bunch of people to worship him.  Seems pretty boring to me.  No, if I were a god, I’d create a bunch of people like me- unpredictable with a taste for chaos and destruction.

  33. BBjam
    December 24th, 2008 @ 7:26 pm

    It seems that many people here are materialists, ie you only believe in the material universe, not only no God, but no Souls, nothing other atoms and waves.

    If this is the case, how could you have free will? Free will violates the laws of physics, which can only describe randomness or determinism.
    If you do not have free will, than how can you reason? Your ‘thoughts’ would be nothing more that chemical reactions, very complex ones.
    And if you have no reason, and thought is an illusion, how could your observations about the world have any meaning?
    It would seem to me that such a life would be so unpleasant that you would be forced to either refuse to think about it, which would probably be ineffective at making you happy in the end, or admit something to your philosophy which is outside the material universe. The later would cause all sorts of problems, but in the long run it is necessary to have meaning in life.

  34. King of Ferrets
    December 27th, 2008 @ 6:45 am

    No. Even if such a being existed, why would he make me? He doesn’t even have to bother; he can’t have created me to see what would happen, since he already knows what would happen, and he knows there will be a buttload of suffering,  and probably more evil in the world than good, so he has no reason to create a world, much less humans, at all. Plus, he really could have done better on the design if he had bothered to make me; something like making me not need glasses, not be especially susceptible to strep, and actually able to produce my own vitamin C instead of having to procure it from other sources. And presuming you mean the god of Christianity by this, he has even less reason to create me, because God would already know what would be the result of me living, the result being less believing souls and more in Hell. Actually, the god of Christianity, by having a Hell, cannot possibly fit the requirements, now that I think about it, so we’re just left with him having no reason to create humanity.

  35. BenYachov(Jim Scott 4th)
    December 27th, 2008 @ 12:25 pm

    Why would the Deity not bother to do it?

  36. Nicole
    December 27th, 2008 @ 1:45 pm

    Ben — suppose a new movie was coming out — but you already knew every scene, every nuance of all the actors, could recite the dialog perfectly using the actors voice with exactly the same pauses. In short, you knew everything there was to know about the movie. Would you go see it?

    I suspect not — what could you possibly get from a movie that you already know everything there is to know about it ?

    The logic around an all knowing god is the same — why would he/she bother if the outcome was already known — what would be the point ?

  37. Ashli
    December 28th, 2008 @ 6:08 pm

    He created me because He loves me and has a job for me to do.

    (Thanks, God!)

  38. Nicole
    December 28th, 2008 @ 6:30 pm

    What could you do that an all knowing all powerful god couldn’t do better ? 

    What could you do that god would ‘need’ you to do ?

  39. Andre
    December 29th, 2008 @ 12:33 pm

    Yes. Because there’s no greater gift than existing, this is the most extraordinary gift He has given to each one of us. Even if our lives may seem ordinary or boring, we still have the chance to breathe, learn and admire the beauty of His incredible creation, be part of it.

    God is good, and that’s why we exist. Free gifts for everyone (and free salvation as well, even though we rebel against Him, the one who loved us most). I am very grateful to Him for existing.

    And the atheists really don’t get it… He didn’t create us so we would adore Him, it’s just a natural consequence. Once you realize you actually exist, and the value that existance has… praising the Creator God comes easily and naturally. That praise is a mix of love, gratitude and amazement.

    Please forgive my English, it’s not my primary language.

  40. Chris
    December 29th, 2008 @ 3:22 pm

    Yes.

    I find it interesting to see 3 fairly consistent themes in the “No” responses.

    1) “God doesn’t exist anyway,” or variations on “No, & you’re stupid/crazy.”

    While the first answer is at least valid, the second is simply an ad hominem dodge.

    2) Similar to the “argument from evil”, many people have posited that God should have been able to do better, so He must not have done it at all.

    This is either an EXTREMELY egotistical argument that implies that the people making it are omniscient themselves, (how else can one know how to improve on the design of the universe?) or perhaps more likely, an irrational argument which claims that for something to be done at all, it must not only be done perfectly, but in a way that is perceived as perfectly.

    3) Variations on “Why would God bother?” Since she includes the question in her post, it appears that Nicole  accidentally comes close to answering her own question with her movie analogy.

    The inclusion of the movie viewer as a part of the analogy is incorrect.  The movie viewer  is not the movie maker, so whether a viewer knows everything about a movie or not is irrelevant.

    The maker though – that’s where the answer can start to be found.

    Many or most of the people involved in making a movie know everything there is to know about it; the story, the sequence, the dialogue, the actions, & even the stunts & special effects required.

    But they make the movie anyway.

    Why bother?

    Money is an easy answer, at least with big production houses, but what about independent movie makers that see nothing but a financial loss from making their movies?

    Love.

    The movie analogy is still imperfect, as it assumes only one side to the equation – a movie cannot love it’s maker back – but we can.

    God bless!

    Chris

  41. Nicole
    December 29th, 2008 @ 7:58 pm

    Chris —
    You are right — the movie analogy is imperfect. That would be because  any director will tell you they never know exactly  what the finished movie will be like until the final edit is done — the director is not omniscient.  God knows EXACTLY how the movie will turn out. There are no surprises for god. 

    Also, unlike a director,  god can  create the finished product EXACTLY as if it had gone through all the trials and tribulations of creating.

    But there is one other difference. I can’t imagine any director allowing his actors to suffer and die for his movie. I can’t imagine any director not providing food and shelter for his actors. I can’t imagine a director not taking an actor to the hospital if she were to fall ill during shooting.  Not so much with god.

    You imply that love is the reason. I see no evidence of the love of an all powerful all knowing supernatural being.  Unless love means allowing suffering and death when you can prevent it. Unless love means damning someone to eternal torture for the crime of non belief. If that is how you define love, then clearly our definition of that word is very different.

    Also god created me knowing that I would be a non believer — knowing that I will burn eternally in hell — again an odd definition of love.

    If I knew my child would suffer unimaginable torment , and I had the power to prevent it, I would stop it. And so would you. God on the other had ……. not so much.

    I am sorry , but I have thought long and hard on the god question. I doubt there is anything you can suggest or say that I have not considered. And again I ask — what does god need with a universe ? Clearly at least to me “love” is not an answer that makes sense.

  42. Kelly Clark
    December 29th, 2008 @ 10:07 pm

    It’s fascinating to me when I read so many responses to the question from the respondent’s point of view. The question isn’t “Would an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-good you have bothered to create you, and if not, why not?” Yet so many folks see to be reading it that way.

    I’m wondering now if I am finally understanding how an atheist—or rather, an anti-theist—views life…as if he or she were the all-powerful, all-knowing, all-good being.

  43. Nicole
    December 30th, 2008 @ 8:44 am

    I am sorry Kelly, I am not following you. The question is
    “Would an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-good being have bothered to create you, and if not, why not?” 

    If the response is not supposed to come from my point of view, what point of view should it come from ?

    I have to say that I do not in any way think of myself as an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-good being. Nor do I know of any atheist who does. It  seems to me the question is asking us to put ourselves in the mind of god and reason why an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-good being would create us.  If so .. why? If not.. why not ?

    The short form of my answer is No, I can think of no reason that makes any sense  that an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-good being would create me or anything else.

  44. Kelly Clark
    December 30th, 2008 @ 1:42 pm

    I’m sorry you feel that way about yourself, Nicole. But I do understand it. Hardly a day goes by that I don’t find myself wondering why in the world God created me…but then I remember that God did and I’m grateful. And I’m grateful for your creation too.

    Forgive me for not being clear in my last post. What I meant was, it seemed to me that many respondents interpreted the question to read: “Would I have created me?”

  45. nile
    January 2nd, 2009 @ 6:32 pm

    He wouldn’t bother to create me because I belie his attributes. 

  46. Antitheist
    January 4th, 2009 @ 12:34 pm

    NO!! If you are a believer, then you are fooling yourself. If there were a god, there would be no doubts. I have read many analogies from folks here, comparing their lives to automobiles in junk yards etc… Here is a better analogy, and it comes from the bible.

    We are all gods children. He is a loving god. He answers our prayers. He knows everything. He is everywhere.

    Would you allow your children to kill each other? Do you teach your children right from wrong? Well, if there were a god, he stood by and allowed a handful of his children to fly airplanes into buildings, killing thousands of his other children. If you had saw one of your children with a gun, and knew he was about to kill another one of your children, you would be taken to jail for allowing it to happen. Yet god allowed millions of his children to die at the hands of their siblings, in wars, terrorism, and in his name!!

    The only thing god would have had to do was poke his head out of a cloud and say “hey, it’s me, I do exist!” and we would all then believe. He could have stopped the slaughter. Why didn’t he? Why does he allow his children to kill one another?  Because he is only an imaginary friend to a chosen few, without the power to even say hi! If god exists, he is a mass murderer who should be brought to trial for his war crimes. The bible is full of terrorism, not morality.

    For a small taste of it, read 2Kings 2:23 (where god kills 42 innocent children) OR you can look at this site which has the long (very long) list of god killing things (except the virgins, which he promises as slaves to the Israelites).

    OR ~ Go to wwwtheatheistadvocate.com and look around. Especially, read the bible story and the “God Paradox” which will make things much clearer. The guy at this site uses the bible to show you the truth about religion. So, if you believe the bible to be the truth…

    ;)

  47. Antitheist
    January 4th, 2009 @ 12:38 pm

    The sites are:
    1. TheAtheistAdvocate.com and
    2. http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/int/long.html

    There is NEVER a justification for the slaughters that happen in the bible and in god’s name, NEVER!!!

  48. Irreligious
    January 4th, 2009 @ 1:32 pm

    Kelly Clark wrote:
    “…The question isn’t “Would an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-good you have bothered to create you, and if not, why not?” Yet so many folks see to be reading it that way.”

    Kelly Clark, you seem to be implying that only the “all-powerful, all-knowing, all-good god” in question can properly answer that question. If that is the case, then why is the Raving Theist asking it of us?

    What I inferred from the question is that RA was asking each individual poster,  does it makes sense to to him or her that  an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-good god would have bothered to create them? 

    How else were they supposed to answer? 

    Kelly Clark wrote:
    “I’m wondering now if I am finally understanding how an atheist—or rather, an anti-theist—views life…as if he or she were the all-powerful, all-knowing, all-good being.”

    If I may be honest, Kelly, I’ve often wondered, myself, if many of the people asking or demanding that I revere their  all-powerful, all-knowing, all-good god were not really asking me to revere them

    After all, they do all  the talking for this god they present to me and others. And, very conveniently,  this god of theirs shares exactly their values. These Christians  have told me  in great detail what their god likes, what he doesn’t like, who he’ll exalt and who he will punish for eternity, and what, exactly, every translated word in the Bible really means as opposed to what it says, etc. 

    I don’t know any atheist who would presume to speak on behalf of such a powerful figure, but Christians do it all the time and with utmost certainty about nearly everything they claim on this god’s behalf.

    So, when you imply that atheists lack humility, please be aware that from where I am sitting,  you don’t seem too humble to me, either.   

  49. Hoffy
    January 7th, 2009 @ 8:26 pm

    There is no such thing as god so how can it have created anything, the question is ridiculous and non sensical….

  50. Pikemann Urge
    January 10th, 2009 @ 3:16 am

    Hoffy, that’s a lame and trite statement. Not because it’s true or untrue, but you may as well have just blurted out, “My favourite colour is BLUE.” It is just flag-waving that doesn’t invite any constructive response.

    “Religion is man-made, and it shows”? Ah, we can talk about that.

  51. antitheist
    January 10th, 2009 @ 3:13 pm

    … And on the sixth day, man created god, and on the seventh day, man went to war in his name. Stealing everything the neighboring tribe had worked hard to build all their lives! Because god had promised man the land, in a vision! Then man created a church, and told the masses that 10% of their gross income would suffice, as long as they also delivered pocket money every sabath when the hat was passed. Then they bribed the government to allow them to have and receive without paying taxes. And so on… and so on… until today, when their existance is threatened, they war again, in the name of god, and the cycle begins again.

    woo, woo, woo I say unto thee, thou shalt not be free of the evil in sheeps clothing. The lambs fangs drip with poison and its heart is cold with greed.

    Jesus loves the little children, priest just like the boys!

    Religion is like drugs. People get hooked on it, when they should have just said NO!

    Matt 6:5-6

  52. Bevy
    January 11th, 2009 @ 6:52 pm

    No!

  53. antitheist
    January 11th, 2009 @ 6:56 pm

    :)

  54. solipsist
    January 13th, 2009 @ 12:39 pm

    Would an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-good being have bothered to create me?

    Yes, so that the universe would have a sentient observer.

  55. godinus
    January 14th, 2009 @ 11:20 am

    Wow, So many opinions on god or the lack thereof…. WHO IS TO SAY WHO IS RIGHT OR WRONG? Well, that is where faith comes in. Yes you nonbeleiving atheists, I said FAITH… and wether you admit or not you have it too… I have faith that there is a god and you have faith that there is none…. So, are you right or am I? All that is left is persuation, and Opinion… So your opinion is just as outrageous to me as mine seems to you. I’ll say read the bible and you will say don’t, but my freinds if the Bible should not be read then why are you reading it?
    It is because your own spirit is in search for the truth and your sin is a blinder as to what the truth really is. Seek and you shall find…..

  56. 'lols' to the last comment...
    January 18th, 2009 @ 2:08 am

    nice attempt at making a point…and then making a sermon. that’ll sell it to `em alright!

    But seriously, there is some reason to your initial point: the perception that theists and atheist *believe something* (regarding god). But this doesn’t include everyone. Not everyone qualifies to the “believes something” category. Nihilists don’t have beliefs though people often mistakenly say they “believe in Nothing” which is impossible. In fact athiesm *technically* is the “lack of belief in a deity,” similar in syntax to the definition of nihilism. So for the record, real atheists are characterized by their lack of belief…or as a zen master might say, “their no-belief.”

    And for the record, sir, the Bible should be read by both atheists and theists. What die-hard atheist would tell people not to read it? All the proof you need against Christianity (and possibly all religion?) is right there. The Bible is the definitive case against Christianity. So the Bible should definitely be studied and criticized, but not worshiped or obeyed.

    Regardless of all the hype behind it, about whether it’s “historically accurate” or not, about whether it is or is not “the Word of God,” just remember: It is a BOOK! You should read, you should criticize and critique what you read, but you should never believe everything you read. That’s just common sense. So essentially Christians are violating (in my humble opinion) the most important of all the rules we as humans compose: the rule of common sense.

    P.s. Sorry this post is so late and this comment page is now dead!

  57. Joanne
    January 18th, 2009 @ 10:37 pm

    Ditto Kate B.

  58. godinus
    January 22nd, 2009 @ 8:43 am

    The bible is not proof against christianity, you read it because you are searching your own beleifs.

  59. jolly atheist
    January 22nd, 2009 @ 9:51 am

    Godinus,

    I enjoy reading the Bible just as I enjoy reading the Koran, the Gata’s of Zoroastrian, Veda texts of Brahmanism or the creation explanations of the Kabbalists. It’s just like visiting a temple when you’re on a trip. You get information about the cultural outlook of the period. Although I’m an atheist, I know that belief in the supernatural is a very human condition and it is interesting to see its development throughout history, from animisim and polytheism toward monotheism or some perennial spirit encompassing the universe.

    We are not searching our beliefs in allegedly divine texts, because for us there is no divine and our beliefs lie here in this world, in this nature and within our minds with its reasoning and emotions.

  60. godinus
    January 22nd, 2009 @ 10:39 am

    I enjoy the bible, it is the reason I beleive in god and is the reason I beleive Jesus Christ was his son, and is the reason I am a Christian. The Holy bible wasn’t written for entertainment purposes, but was written to preserve the History of creation and the life of jesus christ.

  61. 5 5
    January 27th, 2009 @ 9:56 pm

    If you truly enjoy reading the bible, please read 2Kings 2:23-25 and explain the love and benevolence God has for his children. Also, read the chapter before and after it, so you are sure it is not taken out of context. I would love to hear what you think.

    Thoughts to ponder:

    What lesson am I to learn?
    What punishment would you have expected?
    What punishment would have been fair?
    Would you like to have been an eye witness to this?

    Thanks for helping me understand this!

  62. Lily
    January 27th, 2009 @ 10:30 pm

    It is a horrid story but you need to understand that we (Catholics!) do not take the Old Testament as a “how-to manual”. That is, we do not take it entirely literally but recognize that it contains much of value to us. It is, first and foremost, the record of the history of the Jews. It records their national story and their understanding of God’s dealings with them. It was written, depending on what school of thought you accept, over a range of nearly 1400 years. It consists of many literary genres; mythology, story, poetry, law, court chronicles, etc.

    We don’t actually have a lot of information given to us about this incident. The children are not young children but youths who had no business being a mob of any sort. Why were they there? They are using a very crude taunt; “Go on up” is a euphemism for something very close to “up y–s”. “Baldhead” may not have been a personal insult but rather a sign of the prophet circle he belonged to. Prophets in those days belonged to something like guilds. In fact, there is a reference to that in verse 5. Was Elisha on some other prophets’ turf? Were the youngsters set on him by the adults? If so, why? We just don’t know.

    So, there is no obvious lesson to be learned from this isolated passage, other than that it is a very bad idea to diss a prophet. Your questions really can’t be answered because we just don’t know why this story was preserved and what it meant to the audience for whom it was written.

    It is important not to lose sight of the fact that 3000 years lie between us and the writer. We don’t have his background, we don’t know his metaphors, nor do we understand why he preserved this story and not others that he might have included (or might not have). It is best not to try to force meaning where there may be none that we can recover.

  63. 5 5
    January 28th, 2009 @ 12:58 pm

    Well said, so if I can paraphrase for you, what you’re saying is…

    You have no idea!!!

    Then why did you bother to write a novel to express that?

  64. Lily
    January 28th, 2009 @ 1:01 pm

    You are welcome. I am glad I was able to help you understand the passage better. It is always a thrill to help those with the intellectual curiosity to learn. That is why I love teaching undergraduates. They are so open to exploring the world outside the confines of their own limited experience and so grateful to be exposed to ways of thinking and experiencing the world that are so very different than their own.

  65. 5 5
    January 28th, 2009 @ 1:09 pm

    your god killed 42 children for teasing a man. There’s nothing to misunderstand about that, regardless of the circumstances! You are blogging about abortion and discussing when life begins, well, I don’t think there is any argument, the lives of these 42 children had already started. god kills!! god kills plenty!!! These kids did not have down syndrome! They are the innocent! Do not stop trying to figure this out. WHY, WHY, WHY did your god send two she bears and tear those 42 kids apart??? WHY???

  66. Lily
    January 28th, 2009 @ 1:16 pm

    God is the author of life. He gives life and he takes it in His own good time. You don’t draw a single breath apart from His will. If you don’t like it, take it up with Him.

  67. 5 5
    January 28th, 2009 @ 1:30 pm

    Sorry, wrong answer! You lose! He did it because he is the invention of man. god is created in man’s image. He has since been recreated (jesus) to adjust to the times. Many gods have been created on earth. They are all omni…
    You are only fooling yourself, but if that is what makes your boat float…

    The book you cherish so dearly, is the stuff nightmares are made of, all you need to do is read the words to yourself.

    It is a grandiose fairy tale that you cling to like a security blanket, because you do not have it in you to face the world on your own. You fear death, you fear hell, you fear god’s wrath, you fear… etc…

    I have no fears and am a much happier person for it. Care to try living on your own? Too scared I bet! Yes, religion has done its job, keeping people scared. Keeping you too scared to venture out into the natural and scientific wonderland without your invisible friend. lol

  68. 5 5
    January 28th, 2009 @ 1:58 pm

    If you believe your own words, that “He gives life and he takes it in His own good time.” And the abortion doctor is one of god’s children, then maybe “god’s will be done” through the hands of the doctor. Who are you to argue with god?

  69. Lily
    January 28th, 2009 @ 2:01 pm

    What grade are you in? Seriously. I obviously don’t know how to talk to young people. I deal with undergraduates and adults.

    What don’t you understand in the words “You shall not murder?” DO you see a clause there that says, “unless you are an abortionist doing My will”?

  70. 5 5
    January 28th, 2009 @ 2:48 pm

    What grade am I in? What grade am I in… hmmm…

    Very sharp tongued. Ah, you must be a christian! That answers it! If you don’t have an answer, just slap them with some belittling. Degrade them into retreat.

    You said ~ What don’t you understand in the words “You shall not murder?”

    So, your saying that the commandments from god hold fast. And I suspect you follow the lord’s commandments? Is that right?

    You’re as slippery as an eel in a bucket of snot, so I will do my best to hold you still while I explain this, one point at a time please. No more moving targets.

    You just used one of god’s ten commandments to make the point that it should be obeyed. That is your logic. God commands it, so we must do it. Try to focus now, without jumping off to some other topic you think you are more clever with.

    “Thou shalt not kill.” was written in the original Hebrew text as “Thou shalt not murder.” and you believe I should obey this command from the almighty. It is the word of God, given to Moses on Mt. Sinai to be followed by his people.

    So, have you ever worked on Sunday?
    Don’t lie, god is listening to you!
    If you have, EVER, you should be stoned to death.

    Have you ever had mold in your house?
    He’s still listening ;)
    If so, did you call the priest to have him inspect it?
    That is one of God’s commands as well.

    In the books of Exodus and Leviticus, there are over 600 commands. They tell you how to live, what to eat, how to clean your house, etc… These, along with the big ten, must always be obeyed. Always! So said the lord God!

    Still focused?

    Jesus said, in Matt 5:17, that you MUST obey all of the laws given to Moses. Not just the big ten. That negates the old “That’s the OT not the NT” trick! So, hold on now, here it comes…

    If you are going to quote scripture to me, after belittling me, I suggest you look in the mirror and decide if you are a true christian, by obeying god’s laws, or do you pick and choose the ones you like! Otherwise, don’t quote scripture to me, saying I should obey god’s commands, when you are the hypocrite who will not.

    Do you follow ALL of God’s commands?
    BTW, that’s a simple yes or no question.
    Do you follow all of God’s commands?

  71. Lily
    January 28th, 2009 @ 3:12 pm

    You don’t have the faintest idea what you are talking about. You are utterly clueless. Utterly. This is not, in itself, a crime. Your attitude, however, is. You are not open to learning from those who actually know what they are talking about. You babble like a know-it-all fourteen year old (I notice you didn’t answer the question I asked about what grade you are in). You actually think these are hard “sophisticated” questions, don’t you? You actually think that no one has ever asked them before and that we haven’t heard them a million times, don’t you?

    Let’s just tackle one of the sillinesses you have brought forth here:

    “Jesus said, in Matt 5:17, that you MUST obey all of the laws given to Moses”. Uh, no. Actually he didn’t. He spells out in the following verses the laws he is actually talking about. Read on. Context matters.

  72. Margaret Catherine
    January 28th, 2009 @ 3:21 pm

    He actually sounds a good bit like some of my undergrad co-workers. State universities…

  73. Lily
    January 28th, 2009 @ 3:23 pm

    Oy, veh!

  74. 5 5
    January 28th, 2009 @ 4:12 pm

    I didn’t think you would answer. :)

  75. Lily
    January 28th, 2009 @ 4:16 pm

    Gibberish requires no answer. Ask a real question and see what happens.

  76. Wen
    February 8th, 2009 @ 6:43 am

    If … “God” created the universe then, logically, nothing in life is more important than finding out just who that God is and why we were created. But many persons would prefer to hide from this inconvenient reality. Therefore the Big Bang theory (though defying true science, i.e. that “every action has an equal and opposite reaction”) is believed and promulgated, but it is inherently unscientific in nature. A Little Bang happening all by itself in a small box (to the left) has a greater chance of probability than a Big Bang containing (theoretically) all the matter in the known universe. Check out the answers of some that do not believe in God. They claim to be the only ones that think, well why not answer after thinking and cut ut the sarcasm; if you will criticise, actually show you are better thinkers.

  77. Mike Melendez
    February 11th, 2009 @ 9:14 am

    Two notes:

    At least one commenter labeled a belief in God as insane. I guess that’s better than the usual accusations of hate when I disagree with someone. Though it certainly sounds like ad hominem.

    A number of commenters seem to think they know what an omni-everything being would be inclined to do. “God is not like them, therefore he doesn’t exist” seems to be their argument. I don’t know about them, but a God like me would be too limited to be believed in. I guess I’d label this one, argument by tautology.

  78. Mike Melendez
    February 11th, 2009 @ 9:20 am

    Oh, I forgot to answer the question… Yes!

  79. Onar
    March 2nd, 2009 @ 7:01 pm

    Yes

    Because GOD likes war.
    After we have killed eachother he will forgive us.
    All in good fun.

  80. PC
    March 3rd, 2009 @ 3:36 am

    Seriously Lily I am sick and tired of your loudmouth know it all attitude. You think that just cause you know everthing there is to know about the bible and you’ve memorized all the excuses for all the bs in it means that you know everything about everything. Well you don’t and you also don’t have the right to belittle people or talk down to them. People like you are the reason why Im like this now. Fire with fire. When you call another person immature for arguing with you that just shows your own immaturity and insecurity. Your stubborn pig headedness doesn’t convince anybody that youre right, it just makes everyone hate christians more.

  81. PC
    March 3rd, 2009 @ 3:46 am

    Oh and the answer to the question is yes if only to have slack jawed cretans as followers to stroke his enormous ego.

  82. Bill Walker / Godfree
    March 10th, 2009 @ 11:52 am

    Andre, Your English is much better than your reasoning.

  83. Cynyster
    March 11th, 2009 @ 3:24 pm

    If there was a god, which there isn’t, why would it create such imperfect beings? My only answer would be that it didn’t want anyone to compete with, lol! I mean REALLY! It drives me nuts when religious people go on to say that we are all capable of being perfect if we follow the tenets of _________ (fill in the blank). Or, even worse, that we are all made perfect, in our own ways…It strains the mind to imagine a deity so incompetent as to create something and then say “Hey, it’s up to you to finish the job I started.” It’s like a bad sub-contractor! What do you tell handicapped chldren? “Oh, honey, you’re perfect, in your own way. That’s how God made you!” This could really mess a kid’s head up. Perfection is as much of a myth as god.

  84. Cynyster
    March 11th, 2009 @ 3:43 pm

    And, BTW, those of you so fond of quoting scripture chapter and verse need to be reminded that no single person wrote your religious texts. They are amalgamations of many writers, each and every one of them a HUMAN BEING. This means, and I say this without malice, that every bit of these texts have been influenced by the writers’ personal beliefs.

    Do you know their motivations?

    Are you 100% sure that they were the same as your deity’s?

    This is the crux of the problem, and to state that all of these writers were ‘divinely inspired’ is irresponsible. If I were to pen a chapter of a religious text, as an addendum, and claim that I was similarly inspired, that god had spoken directly to me and dictated what should be written, could you, in good faith, accept what I had written and add it to your book?

    How about a whole new religion? Religions all grow old, fall out of favor and are supplanted by new ideologies. It’s a fact. How many people do you know who worship Ba’al or Thor or Zeus or Isis? Jus because some religions are a couple thousand years old doesn’t make them any less vulnerable. And they can’t all be right.

    My hope is that humanity will someday realize that religion is no longer needed.

  85. Lily
    March 11th, 2009 @ 4:10 pm

    My hope is that atheists who know very little about the Bible, what is meant by divine inspiration, or how the Bible came to be will take the time to learn. We already know that humans wrote the books of the Bible (see #62 above).

    And, BTW, those of you so fond of quoting scripture chapter and verse need to be reminded that no single person wrote your religious texts

    No. We don’t need to be reminded. We know when and how the books of the Bible were written and transmitted much better than you do. Tell us something we don’t know.

  86. Stephen van Tuyl
    March 20th, 2009 @ 11:55 am

    NO.
    Because I don’t believe in him. Being omniscient, he would know that beforehand, so by the very act of creation would be condemning my soul to suffer eternally in hell. Use your brains people! What kind of idiot would do that?

  87. Matthew in Fairfax
    March 20th, 2009 @ 2:40 pm

    Calm down, Stephen, please. I do use my brain, and I fully expect you to do likewise. God did not condemn you to be an atheist your entire life. You may, at the time of your choosing, believe in Him and cease being an atheist. Christians everywhere have Hope that you do. (And you can always change mind back if you don’t like it.)

    While we’re waiting, you can join one of the conversations on the current home page.

  88. Stan
    March 21st, 2009 @ 6:50 pm

    “Would an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-good being have bothered to create you, and if not, why not?”

    The question is nonsensical and cannot be answered sensibly. The question is really just a word game, but in the spirit of the game, let me ask another:

    “Why would an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-good being need to create anyone or anything?”

  89. Dan
    March 21st, 2009 @ 8:44 pm

    Ben — suppose a new movie was coming out — but you already knew every scene, every nuance of all the actors, could recite the dialog perfectly using the actors voice with exactly the same pauses. In short, you knew everything there was to know about the movie. Would you go see it?

    Um, is it just me or did millions of star wars fans do exactly as you describe?
    Plus you are assuming that the creations of man was for entertainment.

  90. Joe Bible
    March 25th, 2009 @ 1:41 pm

    Dude, what’s with the Joaquin Phoenix-esq charade you’ve got going on here. Should prove interesting when you get to the reveal.

  91. Camelon
    April 6th, 2009 @ 4:38 am

    I perceive my own existence.
    (Implied) I exist. (As if I did not exist, how could I perceive? Etc.)
    My perception of my existance began at a specific point in time, prior to “now”.

    Define:

    An ‘All Powerful’ being is a being who is capable of doing anything that is not contrary to restrictions that being, and that being alone, has placed upon himself, or pertaining to attributes he does not possess. (To avoid such flights of fancy as ‘can he microwave a burrito so hot he cannot eat it’)

    Implied: If the being is all powerful – I am not all powerful. (Understanding ‘all powerful’ to include the ability to win over another being in a test of power)

    An ‘All Knowing’ being is a being who knows all things that were, are, and are to come. The all knowing being knows every variation on the timeline. The All Knowing being has all knowledge of the inner thoughts of man, the thoughts of demons, etc. The Omniscient being knows the name of every star in the universe and the location and speed of every particle at every moment. (And so on and so forth.) Simplified: There is nothing classified as ‘knowledge’, common or secret, that the All Knowing God does not know.

    Implied: If the being is all-knowing, I cannot be all knowing, as I do not ‘know’ how to hide my thoughts from the All Knowing being. (??)

    The ‘all good’ being is a being who is completely pure. (physically/spiritually/morally -all that apply) (example: as in ‘pure quartz’ or ‘pure heart’)
    The above being shall be nicknamed ‘being’

    Question:

    Would an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-good being have bothered to create you, and if not, why not?

    Assumption from question: ‘Being’ exists.

    I exist. (see above)

    Conclusion: The ‘being’ bothered.

    If so, Why? Would be a better question, given the initial assumption of the being’s existence.

    The being is the all-knowing, all-good one, so would know the answer best. One of my favorite answers is, perhaps, ‘To bring glory to the being’. (While from a practical level, it would be loving as the being loves or becoming more pure – from the point of the being? Glory makes the most sense.)

    Glory for a lesser being would be conceit, after all, but for an all knowing, all powerful, pure being, a little bit of glory would be entitled.

    And if those who then give glory to the being then love their fellow man and act justly – then that would be an excellent thing to bother with.

  92. Camelon
    April 6th, 2009 @ 5:05 am

    Ah, I see I misunderstood the stress in the initial question. Also I made a large logical jump I did not explain (what I get for writing after 2:30 am).

    Take 2: (of segment)

    Would an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-good being have bothered to create you, and if not, why not?

    Assumption from question: ‘Being’ exists.

    The Being has the power to create people.
    The Being has the knowledge to create people.

    Since my perceived beginning of existence I have not been pure. (I cannot speak to before.)

    Assumed: No people are ‘pure’. (I can’t directly prove this from my own frame of reference, and its entirely arbitrary in reference to a being that defines pure by its nature of purity.)

    If the Being can create people, the Being has the purity to create people.

    I exist. (see above) I had, in a sense, a beginning.

    IF the Being every created anyone (including me or even only me), He created me.

    I think that is perhaps the extent of a logial argument I can pull out of this, but the if so, why? comment is still above. ‘Why would he create me?’ is an interesting question.

  93. heathenforlife
    July 3rd, 2009 @ 3:05 am

    Go fuck a witch

  94. justbecause
    July 3rd, 2009 @ 5:32 pm

    “Do note that my definitions here are based on the “strict” definitions – atheists *believe* that there are no god or gods, theists *believe* that there are a god or gods. A lot of people define atheists as lacking the belief in god/gods, not as actively disbelieving them. There is a small but significant difference.”

    The best ‘definition’ I’ve heard is: “I don’t have a lack of belief in a god, I believe in a lack of a god.”

    Let’s take something different, say, the Earth. The Earth exists. What’s to believe in? It’s there.
    Let’s take something else, say, dragons. Dragons don’t exist. What’s to believe in? They just aren’t there.

    For (many) atheists, a god is like that. It’s not that they think there is one but hate it and choose not to believe in it. It’s that there isn’t one and everyone else is deluded and thinks they should be worshipping this thing which doesn’t exist.

  95. David
    August 26th, 2009 @ 11:56 pm

    G-d did not create us today. He started who we are thousands of years ago and equipped us with a simple to follow guide to life that has made our civilization what it is today. I am not talking about any particular religion only what was written that the most dominant ones are based on. Some will argue that there is no need for a god in our lives but we must all acknowledge that without the concept of a god laws and the difference between right and wrong would not exist. Some pansy on this site may claim we all know the difference between right and wrong but I will kindly, and maybe maliciously, point you in the direction of any Animal Kingdom episode and let you explain to me in one million words or less (and I know even allowing you that many words it could never be enough to prove your point) exactly what that difference is. Answer: (much to the dismay of scientific weenies) whatever I want I will attempt to take and if you can stop me then I was wrong, but if you can’t….. you guessed it… I am right. Silly, silly humans.

  96. Gina
    August 31st, 2009 @ 3:19 pm

    Well, since I’m here, I think the answer is Yes, all-powerful, all-knowing, all-good being would bother to create me…in fact, He did.

  97. Wendy
    September 1st, 2009 @ 3:30 pm

    Of course such a being didn’t create me, and here’s why not. There’s no such thing as a really big, bearded, invisible man who lives in the sky.

  98. MK
    September 4th, 2009 @ 6:58 am

    Ummmmmm…Wendy? Bearded and invisible are a contradiction in terms. BTW, who in the world ever claimed that God was a. Bearded or b. lives in the sky? Seriously, you need start reading past the 3rd grade level. ;)

  99. Lily
    September 4th, 2009 @ 8:01 am

    :) MK, you make me laugh! You are so right. Why is it that not a single Angry Internet Atheist ™ demonstrates the slightest knowledge of logic? From the High Priest Dawkins on down, it looks like none of them has had a freshman course in philosophy. If they had read even a little Aristotle, they would have learned such trifles as the meaning of attributes, properties and the like. I miss Nile! We need her back so she can show these Internet Atheists how to try to make their case.

  100. MK
    September 4th, 2009 @ 9:32 am

    Lily,

    There ARE good arguments for atheism. Invisibility, living in outer space and resembling spaghetti just aren’t them.
    You’re right, Niles put up some very good reasons for doubting. More importantly, she did it without belittling, insulting or resorting to kindergarten antics.

    Oh how I looooooong for a real discussion!

  101. Porno Lily
    October 2nd, 2009 @ 2:09 pm

    No, G-d would not have bothered to create me, as I am just a humble actress. But he did create porn for me to enjoy! Yours in Christ, Porno Lily

  102. IL4C
    October 5th, 2009 @ 6:32 pm

    Why do you ask such a question? God Created you for His glory, He created us even if we don’t choose to follow Him. He loves us all even if we don’t love Him and ridicule His Word and Children. He loves and cares for you whether you like it or not. He created you to have a relationship with Him and His Creation is yelling it to you :) Think Freely :)

    “If the Son shall make you free, you shall be free indeed” John 8:36

    PS If we’re all rearranged pond scum who really cares if we have purpose or not?

  103. Porno Lily
    October 5th, 2009 @ 11:46 pm

    @IL4C: LOL, you are verry funny for asking “If we’re all rearranged pond scum who really cares if we have purpose or not?” Of course, my producer cares about my purpose which is to be in many porn movies! Yours in Christ,
    Porno Lily

  104. clair
    October 20th, 2009 @ 9:28 am

    We are all born atheists and pure of religions. What would be of the world if only mankind were free of this need for a supernatural being? Probably we would take more responsability for ourselves and the others. Millions of people right now are praying with the same conviction to different Gods. Each one of them feeling inside that certainty that they are in the right side. If one of these Gods is the real one, it seems the ultimate cruelty to have granted one group of people to be born in one side of the planet that knows him and other group bound to an illusion.
    Would an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-good being have bothered to create diseases, misery, wicked minds that torture and rape, disabilities, mental illness …
    I’ve always heard that God loves us but truly, it’s the other way around. Manking has a relantionship with their God like battered women have with their oppressor. They do not question him, they have an excuse for his cruelties and they always think that it’s their fault. It’s an infinite and unconditional love that mankind has towards their Gods.

  105. Популярные стили и мебель
    October 22nd, 2009 @ 3:42 am

    Спасиб .было оч интересно.

  106. miq
    October 31st, 2009 @ 12:24 am

    of course…in order to facilitate failure

  107. MichaelL
    December 7th, 2009 @ 2:15 am

    You make the assumption that your God is all good, a benevolent deity, so to speak. On this point I beg to differ with you. Even a simple reading of the OT will show that God is neither all good nor is he benevolent. In fact, the OT gives a picture of God that makes him out to be a petulant, jealous, murderous, angry raging lunatic that takes immense pleasure in mercilessly killing innocent men, women and children that refuse to acknowledge him as the supreme deity. The very concept of hell proves that your god is neither good or benevolent. What kind of a father would condemn his children to an eternity of torture?

  108. Anonymous
    December 8th, 2009 @ 5:52 pm

    MichaelL,

    “We don’t live in a universe where we are all trying to do our best but God inexplicably yearns to send some people to everlasting damnation if he can only find a way to make the charges stick. Rather, we are a race trapped in a complex rebellion against a God who has done and is continuing to do everything possible to save us.”

    http://www.mark-shea.com/flt3.html

    Your condensending attitude is really not necessary. There are answers – good answers – to your questions.

  109. mat
    December 28th, 2009 @ 6:55 am

    obviously he did created me and for a purpose for that matter.No one was created for nothing every one has a work to do on these earth even though some of us are being negligent,we need to do something.

  110. jonathan
    January 14th, 2010 @ 2:14 am

    “Would an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-good being have bothered to create you, and if not, why not?”

    Well… If I were such an all powerful being, I’d totally create me. I’m pretty awesome. It’s true. But as it turns out, just because an omni-max god would certainly want to create me (cuz’ I’m so awesome), god isn’t necessary for my existence. So yeah, had god existed, she would have created me. (Probably with a few modification, correcting some of the uncomfortable by-products of my evolutionary history.)

  111. Abdul el-Spambhat
    January 14th, 2010 @ 1:22 pm

    Greetings Jonathan!

    It is true, you are awesome and God loves you. And He wants you to love Him and love your neighbors because you are indeed awesome and can do much good in this world. Have Faith in him, Hope for a better world to come, and show Charity to others.

  112. Marcella Tompkins-Alves
    January 27th, 2010 @ 1:40 pm

    Would an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-good being have bothered to create you, and if not, why not?

    Every human on earth has a quest and purpose. Though it may not seem like it sometimes, you and everyone around you makes a difference in multitudes of people’s lives each day. G

  113. Marcella Tompkins-Alves
    January 27th, 2010 @ 1:43 pm

    God specifically created each and everyone of you to make a difference in a multitude of people’s lives. He specified your each and every characteristic and aspect because you were meant to make a difference in the world through you, whether big or small.

    The question of “why me” springs up each and every day but it is through God that the “why me” is answered. He made you to serve some purpose in the world, whether through Him or not.

  114. KATO
    February 14th, 2010 @ 12:02 pm

    There is absolutely no evidence for a God. The God Project is the creation of a supersttious and uneducated mind. There is a coll website that debunks and disproves the Bible and proves that Christ was a Fraud.
    http://WWW.SCIENCECLUBOFLONGISLAND.COM

  115. KATO
    February 14th, 2010 @ 12:03 pm

    There is absolutely no evidence for a God. The God Project is the creation of a superstitious and uneducated mind. There is a cool website that debunks and disproves the Bible and proves that Christ was a Fraud.
    http://WWW.SCIENCECLUBOFLONGISLAND.COM

  116. Sisterlisa
    March 3rd, 2010 @ 11:10 am

    Yes and He did. Praise the Lord! He gave me the opportunity to live and I choose the opportunity to live abundantly through His Son. If atheists are right then we have nothing to worry about, but if God is real then they need to reconsider what they believe. (and He is real) Don’t let ‘religion’ trip you into casting all your heart away. There’s a difference between a relationship with Jesus Christ and the ‘religion’ that so many despise.

  117. Brandy Miller
    March 4th, 2010 @ 8:38 am

    I actually wrote a song about this very question. Whether you agree or disagree, you can view the contents of my answer here:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKti0gOVdQE

    You are here for a reason. You have been created as an answer to a specific problem in the world. If you will not be that answer or if you are killed before you can be that answer, the problem will grow worse. Your life has both value and meaning, but you will never really know what you could have been until you ask the One who made you what it is that you are here to do and then do it faithfully.

    You have posited that God is never in the right to take a life that He created. I posit that if you created a pot, and that pot failed to do what it was designed to do – you would destroy it and create one that did and you would be perfectly justified in doing so. God created you for a reason and he is well within his rights to take back the gift of life if you aren’t going to use it for his purposes. He will give you many chances to change your heart, provide you with many opportunities through the people in your life to experience His love and His forgiveness, but ultimately He will not interfere in your ability to choose to turn away from Him and refuse to serve Him.

  118. Brandy Miller
    March 4th, 2010 @ 9:00 am

    Cynyster:

    If there was a god, which there isn’t, why would it create such imperfect beings?
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    God wants you to love Him. This is why He created you. However, in order for love to be genuine, you must be able to choose. If you had no flaws, no imperfections, you would not have any choice to make but to love. Adam and Eve had the tree in the Garden of Eden – you have your flaws and imperfections.
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    It drives me nuts when religious people go on to say that we are all capable of being perfect if we follow the tenets of _________ (fill in the blank).
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    We, by ourselves, are not capable of being perfect. It is only when we unite ourselves fully to God, who is Love, that we can be perfected.
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    We are all made perfect, in our own ways…
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    This saying only has meaning if you understand that you were created exactly the way that God needed you to be in order to accomplish the purpose for which you were born. Nothing about you is accidental.
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    It strains the mind to imagine a deity so incompetent as to create something and then say “Hey, it’s up to you to finish the job I started.” It’s like a bad sub-contractor!
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    Objects cannot participate in a relationship. Human beings can. God creates you, and then invites you to join with him in accomplishing a task. He does not force your participation – it is an invitation.
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    What do you tell handicapped chldren? “Oh, honey, you’re perfect, in your own way. That’s how God made you!” This could really mess a kid’s head up.
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    Not at all. The handicapped child faces very real physical obstacles, while another child faces very real mental obstacles, while still another child faces very real emotional obstacles, while another faces very real spiritual obstacles. To tell them they are perfect in their own way is simply telling them that God created them exactly as He needed them to be in order for them to accomplish the purpose for which He created them. It may be they were sent handicapped into the world so that through their example they could give encouragement to others who are like them. It may be that they were sent handicapped into the world so that they could find a cure for that disease. Often, it is our handicaps that cause us to struggle, and our struggles that bear the greatest fruit in helping us to grow in compassion and love for others.
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    Perfection is as much of a myth as god.

    If God is a myth, then you are correct to say that perfection is a myth for it is something man cannot achieve on his own.

  119. Brandy Miller
    March 4th, 2010 @ 9:11 am

    To HeathenLifer:

    NO, an all-everything god would not have bothered to create me, nor would he have bothered to create 90% of the humans alive. It’d be overkill (after all, he only wanted 2).
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    What makes you think He only wanted 2? He created 2 to begin with and then told them to be fruitful and multiply. Thus, He must have wanted more than 2.

    You are here because the world needed you. Your parents were carefully selected because they had the traits needed to create you. You were the answer to their prayers, whether they knew they were praying or not, and to the prayers of the world past, present, and future. The world will change for the worse if you do not accept your mission, and the sooner you accept it the better off the world will be. I cannot tell you, without knowing you better, what it is that you are called to do with your life but I know for a fact that the mission assigned to you is something you, and you alone, can do.
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    Not everyone’s life has great purpose, not everyone is a star for millions to see.
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    That depends upon your definition of great. No, not everyone will be famous, but every life has a purpose to it.
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    A lot of us are ‘extras’ and our meaning is what we make it.
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    An “extra” on a set may only have a small role to play, but that role is of vital importance to the film or the play, and if the person fulfilling that role decides to ad lib, do their own thing, the whole play/film can be thrown off. An “extra” is every ounce as important as the star.

  120. Ivan ivanov
    March 30th, 2010 @ 7:33 pm

    How do you do?

  121. Ivan sergio
    March 31st, 2010 @ 4:39 am

    How do you do?

  122. Adrian Kincaid
    September 18th, 2010 @ 10:59 pm

    Since an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-good God is a logical impossibility, the question is nonsensical. I am quite comfortable with the knowledge that I am one organism that is genetically related to every single other living being that has ever lived on this planet. I live my life ethically by, for example, not eating animals, recycling waste, and driving a hybrid vehicle, because I want this wondrous planet and all its life forms to thrive. But I do not believe in a God. Epictetus explained it well 2500 years ago. “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Whence then is evil?”
    -Epicurus

  123. Name (required)
    October 22nd, 2010 @ 11:36 pm

    “Would an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-good being have bothered to create you, and if not, why not?”

    Well, playing into your idiotic mythology, of course it would! That’s so I could be fallen and sinful and have to grovel before this being’s only son (who is actually this being), report to this being’s temple to worship it every week (preferably daily if old-school Catholic nutters had their way) to eat this being’s flesh and drink it’s blood until hopefully–at the very end of my life–I might be redeemed by all my groveling and infantile credulity. And all so I can spend eternity blowing a trumpet and singing praises to said being while it sits on its throne and listens to all that praising–for eternity–alongside its “mother” (presumably, if you’re stupid and credulous enough to be Catholic).

  124. priest's wife
    October 25th, 2010 @ 11:35 am

    ‘Name required’- if you are trying to ‘convert’ people to atheism- you could be a little nicer….just saying…..JESUS LOVES YOU!

  125. Name (required)
    November 2nd, 2010 @ 10:12 pm

    priest’s wife said:

    “you could be a little nicer”

    That’s so telling!

  126. mk
    November 17th, 2010 @ 7:46 pm

    Since an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-good God is a logical impossibility,

    hmmmmm…I wonder why you came to that conclusion. I can understand that you don’t think it is probable, or that it can be proven empirically, or that you acknowledge a metaphysical world at all…but logically impossible”? No, I just don’t see it.

  127. Barbara
    January 1st, 2011 @ 12:47 pm

    Would an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-good being have bothered to create you, and if not, why not?

    What a lot of piffle. All religions are based on plagiarism upon plagiarism upon hear say upon hearsay… put together or having been received by illiterate yokels in a hopelessly backward village. Why did not the spirit of god appear to the literate? Like Aristostle, Einstein, the great philosophers of the East? Medicine and science is doing more good to the human being (mammal}. I can believe a scientific equation which has been scrutinised. You can’t do that with religion.

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