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Religious Display Celebrates Historical Importance of Unconstitutional Religious Displays

October 18, 2005 | 22 Comments

Babylon, New York, October 18, 2005
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A Long Island official who hung two banners proclaiming

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22 Responses to “Religious Display Celebrates Historical Importance of Unconstitutional Religious Displays”

  1. Chiot Vulgaire
    October 18th, 2005 @ 1:03 am

    He’ll stand up to groups like us, huh? Then we’ll stand up against people like him. We have a right as much as anyone else to live our lives the way we see fit

  2. Zed
    October 18th, 2005 @ 2:32 am

    Well, okay. Then again to be truly fair. Why not just put up a secular freethinker creed? If you can have a God banner in the public square, why not an Atheist one for fair measure?

  3. Reluctant Atheist
    October 18th, 2005 @ 2:50 am

    Zed:
    “If you can have a God banner in the public square, why not an Atheist one for fair measure?”
    Couldn’t agree more. I’d like a seat at the table, as well.
    I could see fistfights happen over that 1, however.
    Could be wrong.

  4. Zed
    October 18th, 2005 @ 2:59 am

    Seriously Reluctant,

    Austin Cline brought up some good points in a recent newsletter of his. Recently in dover some jerk Christian janitor decided to burn up an evolution mural made by a previous student. The guy quite immediately after, but the school board wasn’t really pressed to punish him in any way. Now, what if it’d been an Atheist burning down a Christian mural, because he thought it was crap? Well then you’d all kinds of local protests, and hoopla over that.

    There is a blatant double standard to these things that needs to be noted, and abolished. If acting equal on behalf of Atheists is what’s necessary, then that may be what’s necessary. Fair’s fair.

  5. Reluctant Atheist
    October 18th, 2005 @ 3:16 am

    Zed:
    Agreed. Maybe not pitchforks and torches, but immediate press coverage, w/some cat claiming “See! See! We’re being persecuted! Again!”
    Double standards just piss me off, is all.
    ‘Live and let live’ is preached, not practiced.
    ACLU is godless? Last I heard, not only do they go to bat for EVERYONE, there’s an Xtian or 2 among them.
    I really wish these people would sit on their hands and wait for the 2nd coming, and then say “HaHA! WE TOLD YOU SO!” I’d be a bit more inclined to believe it then.
    Hell, I even know an Xtian who’s all for separation of church and state. There’s more of them out there than most of us realize.

  6. Zed
    October 18th, 2005 @ 3:20 am

    Reluctant, you are not reluctant to be wise, and that’s a damn good thing. Agreed on all points. The only way to get respect is to speak up. Otherwise, they’ll just continue the disrespectful badmouthing. I’ve don’t agree with Wiccans, but here’s another good point brought up relating to the outrageous double standards Christians expect:

    “St. Jude Children

  7. Reluctant Atheist
    October 18th, 2005 @ 3:46 am

    Zed: appreciated, but as the old Kansas song says, “If I say I’m wise, it surely means I don’t know.” The old adage, “Squeaky wheel gets the grease.” No 1 says anything, nothing gets done.
    Old Korean philosopher: “Ignorance is the beginning of wisdom, wisdom the knowledge of ignorance, and stupidity the function of mankind” — Chiun.
    Now, if anyone knows who that is, they’ve just seriously dated themselves, LOL.
    Hmmm….going to start writing more letters.
    Atheists are up to approx. 30 million. Not a minority anymore, no sir.
    Godless or no, we need to spread the ‘word’, as it were. Write letters to elected officials.
    We need more Godless marches. 1 time in 2003 ain’t enough.

  8. Anonymous
    October 18th, 2005 @ 7:10 am

    We should heap our public spaces with tributes to every conceivable system of beliefs, just so long as at least one citizen subscribes to that system.
    Either that or we could try not allowing unprovable religious beliefs in publicly funded endeavours at all.
    Whichever’s cheaper, I guess.

  9. a different tim
    October 18th, 2005 @ 7:45 am

    But it’s tradition! You can’t go against tradition…

    Some more traditional suggestions:
    1) Kill every native american in the western hemisphere, to commemorate the proud tradition of killing every native american in the western hemisphere.
    2) Try, and hang, anyone who looks a bit funny as a witch, to commemorate the proud tradition of the settlers of Salem, Massachusets.
    3) Aggresively interrogate everyone in public life to see if they are now, or have ever been, a communist. Destroy their reputations and blacklist them from work if they object in any way to intrusions into their private lives. All to commemorate the patriotism of the house unamerican activities committee.

    Just because it’s traditional DOESN’T MEAN IT’S GOOD.

  10. Dada Saves
    October 18th, 2005 @ 8:48 am

    The Babylon Supervisor claims he’s complying with Supreme Court rulings permitting displays that acknowledge religion

  11. addict_no_more
    October 18th, 2005 @ 9:44 am

    The Evangelical Atheist posted about this same issue mere moments before you… it’s a great topic, and his points on it are really enlightening. Check it out!

    http://evangelicalatheist.com/2005/10/18/god-bless-america/

  12. Qalmlea
    October 18th, 2005 @ 9:52 am

    Just out of curiosity, what would an equivalent atheist banner say? Most of what I’m coming up with sounds like a self-parody, like “Chaotic fluctuations favor America!” Doesn’t really roll off the tongue.

    I think it would be a lot more interesting to grant the Satanist’s equal time and let them put up a banner.

  13. MBains
    October 18th, 2005 @ 11:18 am

    ‘Xians ‘R US: Founded in genocide, built on slavery, thriving on conquest.’

    That should be carved over the entry way to every church that refuses to pay taxes.

    After making them pay their share like the rest of us of course. That would be the necessity for an exemption. {-;

  14. leon
    October 18th, 2005 @ 2:11 pm

    I demand my dirty underwear be hung up right beside the

  15. Debbie
    October 18th, 2005 @ 2:33 pm

    It seems that even the Supreme Court can’t recognize violation of church and state separation so a local politician is not going to respect it either.

    However, the argument of equal time does work in getting the Christians to keep their faith private where it belongs. I work with a youth sports groups and killed outright the pressure from some parents for a Christian prayer before events when I pointed out some of the kids of other faiths (and atheism too) who were peers of the Christian kids. If the Christians were to ask Muslims, Buddhists and atheist kids to bow their head in a Christian prayer, wouldn’t it only be fair if their kids reciprocated? Funnily enough, the Christians decided that a pre-event prayer wasn’t so important after all if it meant recognizing other faiths.

    Having been to Hawaii recently and seen many references to Buddhism, Shintoism as well as various Hawaiian deities, I wondered if this was an issue that had come up there. I found this article via a search.

    http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46828

    Anyone know if this is indeed true?

  16. sternwallow
    October 18th, 2005 @ 3:23 pm

    America prays to the same God that Jehova does.
    But Jehova prays to no God yet Jehova is God.
    Therefore Jehova is no God and America isn’t under him.

    My candidate for an Atheist banner: “God, come on down, we’ll talk.”

  17. Dada Saves
    October 18th, 2005 @ 3:42 pm

    “Having been to Hawaii recently and seen many references to Buddhism, Shintoism as well as various Hawaiian deities, I wondered if this was an issue that had come up there.”

    Debbie, the Xian-Missionary experience in the Hawaiian Islands is among the more brutal and craven campaigns in a long, sad history of brutal and craven campaigns. The earliest whites to settle (read: conquer) there were Christians, intent on stealing land, exploiting labor and, perhaps as a little bonus, shoving Jesus down their throats.

  18. Debbie
    October 18th, 2005 @ 4:17 pm

    Dada,

    I’m aware of this, but giventhat there appears to be a very strong non-Christian culture in parts of Hawaii I wondered how the locals handled public prayer and symbols of faith, ’cause more than a few are in favor of rejecting mainland influences.

  19. hermesten
    October 18th, 2005 @ 4:54 pm

    Good article on Christian Fascists from Theocracy Watch.

    A dangerous group with increasing political power.

    According to this article:

    22% of voters in the last election identified themselves as evangelical christians and 77% voted for the Chimp.

    Fundies hold majority seats in 36% of all Republican Party state committees, or 18 of 50 states, with large minorities in 81% of the remaining

    45 senators and 181 reps earned 80-100% ratings from Christian Right advocacy groups – The Christian Coalition, Eagle Forum, and Family Resource Council

    Along with other tidbits such as:

    Tom Coburn, senator from Oklahoma , has included in his campaign to end abortion a call to impose the death penalty on doctors that carry out abortions once the ban goes into place.

    Jim DeMint, the new senator elected from South Carolina , wants to ban single mothers from teaching in schools.

    Tom Delay, following the Columbine shootings, gave voice to this assault when he said that the killings had taken place “because our school systems teach children that they are nothing but glorified apes who have evolutionized out of some primordial mud.”

    “So let’s be blunt about it: We must use the doctrine of religious liberty to gain independence for Christian schools until we train up a generation of people who know that there is no religious neutrality, no neutral law, no neutral education, and no neutral civil government. Then they will get busy in constructing a Bible-based social, political and religious order which finally denies the religious liberty of the enemies of God.” (Christianity and Civilization, Spring, 1982)

  20. Borgia
    October 18th, 2005 @ 8:44 pm

    Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens – Washington’s Farewell Address

    Religion and Patriotism have been inextricably linked since this country’s inception…the ACLU is fighting against a deeply-ingrained old as Adam neurosis. Good luck.

  21. Zed
    October 18th, 2005 @ 9:14 pm

    “Religion and Patriotism have been inextricably linked since this country’s inception…the ACLU is fighting against a deeply-ingrained old as Adam neurosis. Good luck.”

    It’s either that or be tried according to theocratic law. It’s worth the effort to protest for change.

  22. probligo
    October 20th, 2005 @ 6:50 pm

    Has anyone lined up a sign alongside saying –

    “God didn’t on 9/11″

    What would happen if such a sign appeared?

    Truly the double standard is alive and well…

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