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September 15, 2005 | 26 Comments

How should the heroine of the Dawn of a New Day post be rewarded? (Pledge if you wish)


26 Responses to “Reward”

  1. Viole
    September 15th, 2005 @ 6:03 pm

    I see what you’ve done here, RA. So much for you never deleting posts on your own website, eh? Most people delete posts they find offensive. You delete them to be offensive.

    Oh, and I do see your point. And find it irrelevant to current events. Why reward Dawn for something she did in the past?

  2. Amigone201
    September 15th, 2005 @ 7:30 pm

    Um, what?

  3. 1dayin7
    September 16th, 2005 @ 6:16 am

    Erm… I think she has already been rewarded by becoming the person she is today…

    I was also a teenage “civil rights protester” and I also ended up turning orthodox Christian – because I also realised that concrete human rights are based on religious tradition, and supporting that tradition is the duty that enables the rights.

    Hey, next time you quote someone, reference the quote, please! This is important academic practise and good manners too :)

  4. Qwertz
    September 16th, 2005 @ 6:59 am

    “…concrete human rights are based on religious tradition, and supporting that tradition is the duty that enables the rights…” –1dayin7

    ????? (!)

    Pardon my extreme rudeness and offensiveness, but what crackpipe have you been smoking?! Religious tradition supports the wholesale slaughter of unbelievers, mandates abject subordination of individuals to the iron and ineffable will of god, and punishes them for exercising their (allegedly god-given) power of reason in the pursuit of knowledge! In the world today it is religious tradition which makes breeding sows of women, holds back the progress of life-saving sciences, and destroys the minds of children by making them incapable of rational thought! Religious tradition amounts to an all out war on the individual and his mind! Human rights are only possible when you acknowledge that being human is right! Religious tradition says that this state is imperfect and unnatural for the soul! Yours is the dumbest blind assertation I have ever seen from a theist in all my years of friendly debate with them! I prefer to keep things civil and inoffensive, but in this case I will make an exception! Only a blind, moronic imbecile would not see the glaring contradiction between human rights and a belief that humans are flawed, sinful, dirty, repulsive and unworthy!

    (literally twitching with shock)

  5. The Raving Atheist
    September 16th, 2005 @ 8:41 am


    I guess after three years of trying so hard not to be offensive to anybody, I slipped. I’m sorry.

  6. Kate B.
    September 16th, 2005 @ 9:10 am

    The “religious tradition” you seem to be describing (“a belief that humans are flawed, sinful, dirty, repulsive and unworthy!”) pops up
    a) as a subset of several traditions, and was for centuries decried by Christians as heresy (i.e., the Cathars)
    b) entered mainstream Christianity via the thought of John Calvin, who lacks universal support.
    Did you have a specific religious tradition in mind? Because it’s far from true to say that all religious traditions believe the statement you ascribed to them. But don’t worry, I’m not offended.

  7. Viole
    September 16th, 2005 @ 10:11 am

    Trying not to be offensive? Uh, yeah.

    At least you put it back, and people can find out the truth if they take the trouble. So I’ll forgive you. The reason you managed to offend me so much is simply that dishonesty, accidental or not, is devastating to logic. Not only is it similar to quote mining and destroying the evidence, it looks like you’re hiding something.

    Not, I suspect, that you care about my good opinion.

  8. The Raving Atheist
    September 16th, 2005 @ 10:40 am


    The intention from the start was to put it back after bagging a few more prey. It is a tactic similar to ones I have applied before and I always come clean in the end. In this case I did it on impulse after seeing that wonderfully innocent comment. I think it is the context in which I did it that upsets you most and that if my intended victims were on a different part of the political spectrum you would have found it funny and not have been tempted to tell the kids there was not such a thing as Santa Claus.

    And you know I treasure your readership and always will.

  9. Alex
    September 16th, 2005 @ 11:33 am

    …yeah alright? Either i’m confused on exactully what we are writing about, or we are all a tad off the topic…

    Are we supossivly ‘rewarding’ a lady who protested against the 1 min, of siolence?

    if so to a point yeah i guess i agree that there isn’t really a place for it in the public school system, they dont need that monotheistic shit being driven into their childrens minds.

    not sure about America but in Australia, The 1872 Victorian government introduced free, compulsory and secular education, which excluded the teaching of religion in government schools.
    + the Public Instruction Act (1880) and the The Church Act’s. (all opposing the use of religiouse education in public schools.

    Therefore yeah if public schools are going to use religiouse tratitions even as simple as a minute of silence fuck em, take that shit to religiouse schools. Oh and also i go 2 a catholic school… and we dont do any of that shit, just occasionly get some obsolete bull shit prayre / theory read to us.

    However even if that lady is against that, for her to be athiest, she wouldnt beleive in any of that crap, so why does it bother her? wow the students are wasting 1 minute of their life daily.

    If she is against the whole force feeding of religiouse tratitions, she should also be against the force feeding of all tratitions, in the fact that for her to go against the religion and put her opinion across trying to abolish the original ‘problem’ she is just as bad as the people wanting the pledge/ prayre.

    either way generally always 2 sides to an arguement, no idea if i answered the question or just rambled on about some random shit… Ciao

  10. Qwertz
    September 16th, 2005 @ 12:09 pm

    No complaint about my breeding sows reference? Or the corrupting of children? Hm. Anyway, last I checked, Genesis and Leviticus were much much older than the Cathars and Calvin, and have you read the your Koran lateley? Any belief in an afterlife-paradise is sick and immoral, because it sets death as something to be anticipated with joy rather than postponed with mortal fervor. Any belief in a creator-god due praise and worship is a betrayal of your own nature and power. Any faith-based belief in things which by definition should not, cannot, or must not exist is suicide by asphyxiation of the only tool of survival you have.


  11. Kate B.
    September 16th, 2005 @ 12:27 pm

    “Anyway, last I checked, Genesis and Leviticus were much much older than the Cathars and Calvin, and have you read the your Koran lateley?”

    Ah, so you’re not so keen on the religious traditions of the Abramic faiths? I see. You seemed to be conflating all religious traditions into having the same belief in the revolting nature of physical existence.

    “Any belief in a creator-god due praise and worship is a betrayal of your own nature and power. ”
    My nature and power? In what way are those impinged on by belief in a creator? My nature is not to create anything other than human babies. My power may be in manipulating existing matter to build something or create a work of art, but I didn’t create the matter itself. So I’m not sure how that follows.

    “Any faith-based belief in things which by definition should not, cannot, or must not exist is suicide by asphyxiation of the only tool of survival you have.”
    Are you talking about deities here? Or is this a reference to the above ancient belief that somehow, bodies are not supposed to exist? If deities, then I would say that the amount of art, science, and philosophy that has been done universally in the name of gods would be a good indicator that belief in the divine doesn’t immediately asphixiate the brain. As for the other, since I don’t believe that the body is bad (if that’s what you were trying to say), it doesn’t apply to me. Guess my brain can keep on breathing.

  12. Viole
    September 16th, 2005 @ 1:26 pm

    I hope I’m not that hypocritical, RA. I certainly try and judge all people on their merits, and not to exploit silly mistakes. That can be hard to do.

    I can tell you that who a person was isn’t who they are. I don’t know why Dawn decided to protest a minute of silence, but I doubt you’d have tried your little joke if you didn’t think she’d do the same today. However, I’m a bit more picky in my choice of allies. Separation of church and state isn’t enough to get me to support a conservative christian.

  13. Larry the Cable Guy
    September 17th, 2005 @ 2:08 am

    To Dawn and the Raving Atheist,

    This is funny, really funny, and I don’t care where you’re from!

  14. 1dayin7
    September 17th, 2005 @ 5:40 am

    Hmmm… Qwertz is the first 6 letters on the German keyboard. The Y and the Z are inverted due to the Z being more prevalent in that language. That’s cool.

    That said, it’s sad to hear that you think that all religions are anti-human. Personally, I think it’s great to be human.

    And I agree with the Cable Guy.

  15. a different tim
    September 17th, 2005 @ 11:36 am

    Back on the post – suggestions:
    – A box set of Richard Dawkins books.
    – Bad Religion’s back catalogue on CD.
    – Box set of DVDs of the Hemmings films. (Did I get that name right? hope so).

    etc etc. I’m sure you all have more.

  16. Dawn Eden
    September 17th, 2005 @ 9:51 pm

    Box set of DVDs of the Hemmings films

    Oh, goody! I love David Hemmings.

  17. LucyMuff
    September 17th, 2005 @ 10:01 pm

    she is getting her reqward in HELL unless she repents and aceps JESUS

  18. Alex
    September 18th, 2005 @ 5:55 am

    LucyMuff… tut tut…

    “her reqward in HELL unless she repents and aceps JESUS”

    Your an idiot… A compleate fool…

    I dont accept Jesus… Never have Never will. I have 0 faith in any god from any faith, or any profits.

    Relgions are Designed to drag dumb fucks like you into it and its so pethetic you actully fall for that obsolete shit, you gullabul degenerate whore… I pitty you

  19. a different tim
    September 18th, 2005 @ 9:51 am

    Good call, Lucy. Even for you this is spectacularly dumb. Follow the link to Dawn’s site some time.
    Unless you’re taking the piss by imitating the most brain dead theist that you can think of, which at least half the people who post here seem to reckon.

    Hey, Dawn, have you accepted Jesus yet? Lucy says you’re going to hell if you don’t……

  20. LucyMuff
    September 18th, 2005 @ 2:33 pm

    alex, I is not native inglish speeker so sorries for my mistakes in righting. you is I prassume so when you saais
    “Your an idiot… A compleate fool…”

    even I’s can see that you mean you’re. Guess you mightbe fool as well. In the eyes of GOD and JESUS we’s all fools. I don’t care because I have JESUS in my heart, where you have only spiteful nasties and are unkind. Deny JESUS is you want, but that is only new way of say :I acept satan, and it take much fools to do that. You are goign to hell, but there stilll be time ACEPT JESUS NOW
    DO nOT BE DUMB, hell is not cool.

    Religons are there to help enlkightened like me, and black hearts like yours deny the light. I pity the fool who deny’s JESUS

  21. Nicole
    September 19th, 2005 @ 10:28 am

    No gifts necessary for this young woman. She’s got the intelligence and drive to get her anywhere she wants to go…and threatening free-thinkers with ‘hell’ is just sad….

  22. leon
    September 19th, 2005 @ 12:47 pm

    I never watched “The Brady Bunch”.
    I propose the morning public school (and private school) commencements be reduced to: “Goodmorning class”

  23. a different tim
    September 19th, 2005 @ 1:35 pm

    “I pity the fool….”

    It’s Mr T again, isn’t it?

  24. Thorngod
    September 22nd, 2005 @ 2:11 pm

    Hazn’d everwon figurrd out bi now that LucyMuff iz ay preteender?

  25. Alex
    September 23rd, 2005 @ 7:59 am

    LucyMuff ….Fuck and you call me dumb, you compleate fuck head, u think i give a FUCK because i made a few fucking typos? wow i cant spell for shit, who give a shit, u can still understand it, you call me and idiot and u say some SHIT like this!:

    “Deny JESUS is you want, but that is only new way of say :I acept satan, and it take much fools to do that. You are goign to hell, but there stilll be time ACEPT JESUS NOW
    DO nOT BE DUMB, hell is not cool.”

    YOU pathetic whore!!!!

    I’m going to hell? omg! how old are you? you fool! You are what destroys the world we live in, its bad enough believing in that shit! but fuck, for you to go around trying to change people? trying ‘ to make people accept some rotting corpse who was crucified due to his mental illness”

    You ! pitty me because i deny’s jesus… i pitty you and your whole fucking religion…

    I cant descripe or elaberate how much i hate you…

  26. LucyMuff
    September 23rd, 2005 @ 7:05 pm

    Alex, yous needs to stop with the hate for it be big SIN and so you defonitely be going to HELL, where you burn for ETERNITY and have big penis of satan violate you as punishments for you sin.
    You most def are fool, you spell compleate like idiot from special school, and you be natives speeker of inglish! Hows dumb can that be? Answer is, it not matter. I beg yous to acerpt JESUS you LORD and SAVOUR. Even though you are bnnasty and petty mind with much spite and hate, JESUS no care. He is LOVE and will acrept you and help yous to stop from be goign to HELL. Do it now before it be too late, and tryo help you family if you are not wanting them to burn in hell too, and all your friend and even other atheist you meet in your sinful life. Do it for you sole.

    I pity you more after read your hateful ranting. Be you crazy?

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