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Dawn of a New Day (Updated)

September 15, 2005 | 14 Comments

The Pledge/Prayer, ruled unconstitutional yesterday, will remain so only until the new Roberts court is sworn in, so help them God. But whether anyone ever actually recites it again is up to the children. They’ll still have the right to opt out no matter what. And if enough of them do, the practice will pass into history.

Sound unlikely? Kids are smarter than you think. Forget the Pledge — look at what this young lady did when confronted with a mere moment of silence:

I was outraged at this intrusion of religion into the public sphere, certain that it would soon degenerate into enforced Christian prayer.

One morning soon after the moment of silence was initiated, I came to school early, armed with a stack of photocopied homemade flyers and a roll of Scotch tape. The flyers


14 Responses to “Dawn of a New Day (Updated)”

  1. Sean
    September 15th, 2005 @ 11:05 am

    The link seems to be broken.

  2. a different tim
    September 15th, 2005 @ 1:25 pm

    link here now.
    don’t be so sure roberts court will reverse this.
    1) his record isn’t as bad as rehnquist’s as far as i can see, certainly not as bad as scalia. maybe he will be able to seee the clearly obvious fact that it violates the constitution.
    2) who will the next judge be? busgh is under pressure – will he be able to nominate the conservative christian he would like to?

    regardless, this is brilliant. especially the kid who opted out. the furure is not so bleak after all.

  3. GenghisDirt
    September 15th, 2005 @ 1:44 pm

    Does anyone really envision the removal of “under god” from the Pledge within this generation? Even though it is an undeniable violation of the 1st Amendment (as Newdow said, could you imagine if the Pledge required kids to say “One nation; there is no God”? Nice as it sounds, no one could say that it’s constitutionally acceptable), I have a hard time believing that this Supreme Court (never mind the unknown qualities of Roberts, or whoever Bush will appoint as O’Connor’s replacement) could ever actually have the legal cojones to do the right thing.

    They dodged it last time by a technicality… I’m actually pretty terrified of it reaching the Supreme Court again; if they break the law (like they did in Bush vs. Gore) and rule that “under FSM” is constitutional, it would set a precedent and open that floodgate to theocracy a little wider.

    Or is there hope that the Justices might actually decide based on the careful consideration of ACTUAL CONSTITUTIONAL LAW?!?! It’s been known to happen (not often, but sometimes).

    Concurrently; does anyone know of any kind of organization or website that directly supports Newdow? Or an e-mail that I could write a support letter? We should give him a medal, or something.

  4. Vidiot
    September 15th, 2005 @ 1:51 pm

    Reciting the Pledge in schools has actually been optional since 1943.

    Let’s also remember that the Pledge didn’t have “under God” in it until 1954, when it was added after a campaign spearheaded by the Knights of Columbus.

    Personally, I’d much rather pledge allegiance to the Constitution and the ideals which it contains, instead of a flag.

  5. jahrta
    September 15th, 2005 @ 2:02 pm

    maybe we should just teach our children to recite “one nation, under fraud”?

  6. Noumena
    September 15th, 2005 @ 2:07 pm

    The fact that participation is optional for students doesn’t mean it’s not marginalizing or a de facto endorsement of one family of religious beliefs by the state. The problem is with the *teacher* saying it, qua government employee.

  7. sternwallow
    September 15th, 2005 @ 2:29 pm

    For sure a medal for Newdow, but how about a very large, high-profile blue ribbon or something for that girl? I might even send a small donation to help her college expenses if it would facilitate her path to a position of leadership and prominence, or maybe the contribution could pay for part of her next package of printer paper, whichever.

  8. sternwallow
    September 16th, 2005 @ 8:35 am

    OK, mea-the-heck-culpa. I didn’t read all of the links. “That Girl” turns out to be Dawn Eden, no longer in high school, and ruined her potential by becoming a solid conservative. So, I still offer at least a virtual Blue Ribbon for courage, but I rescind the cash, sorry.

  9. Tony
    September 16th, 2005 @ 8:36 am

    but how about a very large, high-profile blue ribbon or something for that girl?


    (Nice one, Raving Atheist :))

  10. Vernichten
    September 16th, 2005 @ 10:24 am

    RA, are you having an affair with Dawn Eden?

  11. Jennifer
    September 16th, 2005 @ 10:42 am

    Careful Venichten, I tread in these waters and it got ugly

  12. Annick
    September 18th, 2005 @ 11:18 am

    Hahaha yes what a “smart girl” yesss that moment of silence sure is meant for her to “hear the voice of God” yesss it is all Christian brainwashing going on, un huh. Give me a break, that moment of silence is for the silent ones to ponder on whatever they want or not ponder at all. And no way can anyone know what anothers thought are so give me a break it is about shoving God into non-believers heads, yeah right!

    Hey if “smart girl” is so smart during that “moment of silence” she can compose a song, or ponder “Einstein’s Theory of Relativity”, or figure out a cure for cancer, or grumble about her dislike of Christians.

    Could it be that she dislikes the moment of silence because it is too scary… because maybe there are no thoughts in her mind or if there are maybe they are thoughts she cannot bear to have. It happens, some people cannot stand their own thoughts, they need tv, music etc to block them out. I can’t believe out of all the things going on in this world she spends her time making leaflets protesting the moment of silence, a moment of silence, that gets in her panties in a bunch…sheeesh!

  13. brent
    September 19th, 2005 @ 1:25 pm

    No “born again” follower of The Lord should be “pledging” anything. This is against God’s word.

    God never once told us to “pledge” or “promise” or “swear” to Him anything…He told us not to. For “Christians” to “fight” for this “right” is not “following” Christ.

    From: a “born again” follower of the Lord.

    Love to my neighbors,

  14. jahrta
    September 20th, 2005 @ 9:31 am

    Annick – it almost pains me to say this but…but…

    I agree with you. I never once thought there was anything religious about a moment of silence. it’s simply meant as a moment of introspection that lends solemnity to a specific moment of trauma. it’s a show of respect and i never attached any religiousity to that in the slightest.

    The truly funny thing about your comment is that in your abject rage and eagerness to tear apart this so-called “smart girl” you are simply unaware that the person you’re talking about is Dawn Eden – a woman who once was an atheist and then became an evangelical christian (raised as a jew if i remember correctly). So i’d have to agree with you that she’s a brainless twat as well.

    scary – what else might we have in common?

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