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Wiccan Teen Defends Right to Be Beaten Up for Aggressively Silly and Obviously Made-Up Religion

September 10, 2002 | 53 Comments

Waxahachie, Texas, September 10, 2002
Special to The Raving Atheist

High school freshman Rebecca Moreno is challenging a dress code which prohibits her from wearing a decorative Wiccan pentacle necklace to class, according to the Dallas Morning News. The Waxahachie, Texas teen is not merely trying to make fashion statement, however — she’s vindicating her constitutional right to be beaten up for half-pretending to believe in an unctuously silly religion that is even more obviously made-up than the Christianity of her peers.

“Please compare me to the Wicked Witch of the West from the Wizard of Oz so that I can sanctimoniously, yet tolerantly and patiently, chide you for promoting a negative stereotype of witches,” said Rebecca. “Of course witches don’t have green skin and wart-covered noses — we look just like ordinary, everyday people,” she explained. Rebecca then noted that although Wiccans do employ “magick” and cast spells, only natural energy is harnessed, and their system of ethics prohibits them from using it for evil purposes, or even for good ones without the subject’s permission.

“I have a big problem with that,” said classmate Todd Martin, pounding Rebecca’s head against a cafeteria table. “First, she’s asking us to abandon the historical, time-honored depiction of a completely fictional hag-like character just because her newly-invented religion wants to co-opt and misuse the word ‘witch,’” said Todd. “They might as well call themselves ‘Pillsbury Dough Boys,’ and complain about being stereotyped as short, pudgy and formless,” he added. “And then they misspell ‘magic’ in that precious, annoying way so they’ll have a word to describe powers they know they don’t have. Believe me, I’d be beating her a lot harder if she didn’t act like she was almost serious about this crap sometimes.”

Rebecca insisted, between blows, that Wicca is legitimate neo-pagan Earth-based religion with ancient roots in pre-Christian Europe. “Wiccans were worshipping the Goddess and the God long before the advent of Christ,” she stated. “Like my mother before me, my children and grandchildren will learn to recite the Wiccan Rede.”

“No, the Bible is what’s ancient,” countered Todd. “A lot more ancient than ‘Wicca for Beginners’ — copyright 1993. And that politically correct, women’s’ lib “Goddess and God” stuff just proves that it’s from the early 70′s, late ’60′s, at best,” he noted. Todd also asked how come Rebecca’s mother had only first learned of the allegedly centuries-old tradition three months ago from a biker’s girlfriend at a tattoo parlor. “That’s when she gave up Tarot and began hanging around with friends with joke names like Emerald Dragonfly and Silver Wolf Raven Hawk, and started with all that “merry meet” and “blessed be” nonsense,” he said. “It almost makes me respect Quanzaa.”

Rebecca opined that most of her classmates’ hostility stemmed from their confusion of Wicca with Satanism. “Satan is a superstitious Christian concept which we reject . . . we don’t even subscribe to the notion of absolute evil.” However, Todd pointed out that claiming that you don’t believe in the devil while calling yourself a witch was more than a little disingenuous. “It’s when she says stuff like that, that I suspect she’s doing all this mostly just to mock Christianity,” he said.

Another student, Susan Mitchell, agreed. “Why doesn’t she just come right out and make fun of us for being Christians?” asked. “Instead she goes around with that pentacle hanging down where a crucifix should be, trying to imply some sort of equality between a long-established, respected, hard-to-directly-refute made-up religion and her cartoonish, made-up witch scam. It’s really just being fresh, but if she wants to have the living crap kicked out her ever day, I guess I have to respect her right to do so.”

Comments

53 Responses to “Wiccan Teen Defends Right to Be Beaten Up for Aggressively Silly and Obviously Made-Up Religion”

  1. bill
    June 20th, 2003 @ 8:28 am

    the fact is that wicca was started in 1950 based on costoms of older people’s that do pre-date christians. we would never make fun of christians as that would be roung. would a christion make fun of a jew. i dont think so.
    of corse the word witch; it meaning is bast on the european use of the word. it means country dweler. are faith is bast on those people. if you need to have some thing to make fun of. americans have a word for them to. we call them red necks.
    as for a child being betten up for any resson, some one needs to look into there christian belifes and a teacher or some one needs to call some parints.
    thank you for you time,
    bill

  2. Kafkaesqu
    June 20th, 2003 @ 9:57 am

    would a christion make fun of a jew. i dont think so.

    You’re absolutely right. A christian would never do that. And good point about the rednecks. If anyone is deserving of our good-natured contempt and ridicule, it’s them.

    Just for my own information, but do wiccans teach their own form of ebonics these days? If so, I’d appreciate recommendations on some resources for it. Thanks.

  3. Kafkaesqu
    June 20th, 2003 @ 9:57 am

    would a christion make fun of a jew. i dont think so.

    You’re absolutely right. A christian would never do that. And good point about the rednecks. If anyone is deserving of our good-natured contempt and ridicule, it’s them.

    Just for my own information, but do wiccans teach their own form of ebonics these days? If so, I’d appreciate recommendations on some resources for it. Thanks.

  4. Kafkaesqu
    June 20th, 2003 @ 9:57 am

    would a christion make fun of a jew. i dont think so.

    You’re absolutely right. A christian would never do that. And good point about the rednecks. If anyone is deserving of our good-natured contempt and ridicule, it’s them.

    Just for my own information, but do wiccans teach their own form of ebonics these days? If so, I’d appreciate recommendations on some resources for it. Thanks.

  5. Kafkaesqu
    June 20th, 2003 @ 9:57 am

    would a christion make fun of a jew. i dont think so.

    You’re absolutely right. A christian would never do that. And good point about the rednecks. If anyone is deserving of our good-natured contempt and ridicule, it’s them.

    Just for my own information, but do wiccans teach their own form of ebonics these days? If so, I’d appreciate recommendations on some resources for it. Thanks.

  6. Kafkaesqu
    June 20th, 2003 @ 9:57 am

    would a christion make fun of a jew. i dont think so.

    You’re absolutely right. A christian would never do that. And good point about the rednecks. If anyone is deserving of our good-natured contempt and ridicule, it’s them.

    Just for my own information, but do wiccans teach their own form of ebonics these days? If so, I’d appreciate recommendations on some resources for it. Thanks.

  7. Kafkaesqu
    June 20th, 2003 @ 9:57 am

    would a christion make fun of a jew. i dont think so.

    You’re absolutely right. A christian would never do that. And good point about the rednecks. If anyone is deserving of our good-natured contempt and ridicule, it’s them.

    Just for my own information, but do wiccans teach their own form of ebonics these days? If so, I’d appreciate recommendations on some resources for it. Thanks.

  8. bill
    July 6th, 2003 @ 8:34 am

    to the best of my knowledge wiccans do not have any set form of slang if i am defining the word ebonics right. the only things i have herd that is wiccan is on line. such as merry meet (hello), merry part (good by), and fuzzy bunnie. (wiccan books that are fool of fluff and pixie dust to make the world a more perfect world. its faith not a fix all with the wave of a hand. that takes getting off your but and doing for your self. sorry ranting.)
    bill

  9. Nan-san
    July 15th, 2003 @ 12:46 am

    *sighs heavily* There’s always one that makes the rest look dumb..Bill he meant that the way you type (which is crudely mis-spelled)..anyways I DO have a comment on this. First of all, Wiccan, has already been proven to be a religion which has been around longer than Christianity, it was practiced long before the bible was even written. AND you say that Christianity is hard to contradict and put down, however were you to actually READ the bible its not hard to see that it contradicts itself, its beliefs are not even usually followed by those who so feverently claim to uphold it. Despite the fact that YOU may think her religion is “made-up” and “cartoonish” it is still her right to wear that pentacle around her neck as it is a christian kids right to wear a cross around his neck or an atheist’s right to wear nothing around their neck. That is just a plain and simple fact of life. We wiccans dont patronize you for being whatever you are, though I would assume athiest from the title…Wiccans dont stuff flyers in your face saying your a sinner and that your going to burn in hell, thats the christians, why dont you go critize THEM? Oh and by the way, maybe athiest people go around beating people up for believing in something, but I havent yet seen a true chrisitian beat anyone up, and trust me, I know plenty of them…Oh and before you make anymore posts at least KNOW about what your trying to put down 1) not all Wiccans call themselves “witches” some do, but maybe less then half, the rest call them selves wiccans 2) Wiccan IS a religion which has been passed down many generations, NO it was not called “Wiccan”..it was just the old family tradition….however it IS ancient, and traditional and CAN be passed down from generation to generation, much like Christianity…3) use spell check next time bud you mis-spelled a whole crap load of stuck, …also…MY advice…just because your so jaded and cynical that you have to B@#%$ about believing in nothing doesnt give you the right to B@#$% at me for believing in something…I still have hope, you however have already lost everything because you have no hope, no belief, nothing…which is what athiesm is..the belief in nothing…I’d much rather sit here and be made fun of for believing in something you think is foolish and cartoonish and made-up, then to sit in your shoes and believe in nothing, no god, no hope, nothing…so you know what…stick out your middle finger, sit on it, and rotate…^_^ Thank you very f*%$ing much and have a nice f#$%ing day!
    Blessed be ;)
    Nan-san
    P.S….no thats not my “dumb magick name”

  10. Relkin
    July 24th, 2003 @ 4:02 am

    Why is the world so full of this bullshit? The christians hate the wiccans for something they believe in. This reminds me of one person…HITLER… You hate people because they don’t believe in what you do. That puts you just one level below Hitler himself. Keep on this road and you will end up in your religions version of damnation. May your deity whomever this is have mercy on you, in life or death. Judge others with hate in life and your deity(or deities) will judge you with hate in death. And all those whom are persecuted for their beliefs, stand brave. Stand tall. Look hate in the eye and say: “You can hurt me now, but two more will take my place, and if you hurt them, FOUR more will take theirs.” For united we stand, and divided we fall. Never give up. Never give in. And never harm yourself. If you give in and kill yourself because they taunt you, you’re just proving that they can kill all wiccans just by taunting them and never touching them. Let all those who hate you for what you believe in know that their deity denounces hate, and that they will be persecuted for it. I hope that all who read this understand that there are almost as many of us as there are of them. It is time we stop hiding. It is time we stop taking our beatings with a smile. It is time we fight back.

  11. bill
    July 24th, 2003 @ 3:11 pm

    Ok I am using spellchecker and I am sorry that my spelling bits. As for knowing what I am talking about there are many traditions and ideas that wicca is based on. The first person to use the word Wicca as a name of a religion was Gerald Gardner in 1951 after the last anti-witch law was taking of the books. He baste most but not all of his ideas on the books written by Dr. Margaret Murray an anthropologist and a teacher at university college in London, who published her views in, the witch cult in western Europe, in 1920 and then expanded on them in her second book, the god of the witches., in 1931. Which later was proving to be incinerate. He all so had some doings with that nut Alister Crawly before he started righting his books.
    The sabbats are baste on the seasons and Celtic festivals of the harvest. At its most basic level we revere the god and goddess as a part of are self and all of nature. The god

  12. ZroKewl
    July 24th, 2003 @ 3:56 pm

    Bell

  13. bill
    July 26th, 2003 @ 10:13 am

    lol … I

  14. June
    July 26th, 2003 @ 1:10 pm

    We must kill in order to live. Every breath we take, every bite we eat, every flower we grow destroys something and creates something else. The hard part of living is to decide what to kill and when to kill it.

  15. Shud Up
    July 27th, 2003 @ 9:30 pm

    Nan-san wrote: “…but I havent yet seen a true chrisitian beat anyone up, and trust me, I know plenty of them…”

    Nope, “true Christians” don’t beat people up, they just orchestrate wars that kill countless people….

  16. delilah
    August 1st, 2003 @ 2:44 pm

    And how is nan-san defining “true christian” anyways? Since most of America is Christian, and people continue to get beaten up from time to time, I guess folks must be getting beaten up by the lord. Now, if I point to a religious Christian, and it turns out that he beat up somebody, is Nan-San gonna then counter than that person is simply not a Christian? Because if that’s the case, then Nan-San should just replace the phrase “true Christian” with “people who I determine to be Christian” and then let me kick her ass the way only a true Atheist can.

  17. Amber
    August 11th, 2003 @ 4:16 pm

    “True Christian”? Since there are so many different “types” of Christians, each claiming they are the “true” Christians, how is one to decide?

  18. Khranus
    August 13th, 2003 @ 5:42 pm

    lol

    This is great…

    Quite sad that rather than abandon Christianity for Rationalism, Agnosticism, Atheism or perhaps even Shamanism*, people seem to have the idiotic tendency to seek out ‘Truth’ in ridiculous garble such as Wicca and Scientology.

    Sure, most of these religions contain some essential philosophy, but to me it appears that it is negated by superstition and the pathetically human-centric doctrine of a Personal God/Goddess (the very fact that a gender is applied to the deity is evidence of some logical fallacies on the part of the theology)…

    But what can one really do? Wicca is spreading like a virus now, infecting the weak minds of delirious New Agers worldwide, and there is little one can do about it. I assume that, just as Mormoninsm, this poorly fabricated religion, despite it’s obvious roots in lies, will gain tremendous political power in the years to come, and become increasingly unified and dogmatic.

    But if Utah is the Mormon capital of the World, what will be the Wiccan capital? I just hope it isn’t anywhere near my home in Canada, despite this frightening possibility.

    *(These appear to be the four most obvious ‘Natural religions’ to exist in the world. In that all of them can occur spontaneously without any prerequisite cultural circumstances, and appear more natural to humanity than say, the fables of Christianity or Islam.)

  19. Khranus
    August 13th, 2003 @ 6:04 pm

    Another disconcerting but apparently widespread notion that I think I should point out as fallacy is the idea that somehow religion should be treated as wholly ‘personal’…

    It’s not really this notion in its most literal sense that is dangerous, but the fact that people harbour their mental disease (aka religion) and pretend publically that they regard it as harmless so long as it is ‘private’. However, most of these people receive their dogma from an outside source, and thus the idea that it is personal is automatically refutable.

    Really, no idea can ever be regarded as harmless, especially if we are to view thoughts as memes which spread like lifeforms (particularly like weeds or viruses (which do appear to be alive despite Science’s pointless scepticism on the matter)).

    Ideas are really living entities in a sense, and therefore if a human being has even the remotest ability to communicate, their ideologies especially should never be ignored as ‘harmless’.

    I know that this contradicts much of the ‘freedom of religion’ ideology that modern First World Nations so concern themselves with, but if one logically examines that idea to begin with, one will realise that it is relatively impossible and certainly not demonstrated in our societies today.

    Same as the ‘separation of church and state’ garbage. It simply cannot happen, as was realised even by the earliest American scholars. Logically, if majority rules and the majority of citizens are Christian, the Christian ideology will make the rules. Even in a so-called ‘minority government’ (as is currently being reinstated temporarily in Canada), logically, the majority will still have an obvious logical advantage over the minority.

    So in the end, what this all means is that a) religion is dangerous but b) perhaps should not be regulated, as that would bring about only the dominance of one religion over another.

    So in a way this is quite a riddle to overcome if any sort of functional society is ever to be achieved (if such a thing is possible).

    Really though, if not regulated, perhaps we should instead merely concern ourselves more with the Wiccan movement. Perhaps we should act to assure that their inevitable eventual religious dominance in some regions does not interfere so much with government.

    It is howeve possible that religion could in fact be regulated, the way that corporations could be regulated, by regarding them as artificial persons, giving them a limit on organisation (financially speaking) and lifespan before they would be forced to schism, which would cause the breakdown and reformation of those religions (like the mutation of a virus).

    If we can’t exterminate these viruses (at least not in a rational way), we can at least regard them as dangerous. And in that sense, perhaps it is necessary to at least place more regulation on religion financially than has been previously placed. Such mass scams as Billy Graham and Friends or Benny Hinn are violating corporate regulations (at least those in most non-American, non-Reagan-infiltrated countries) and at least their tithes and ‘offerings’ should be limited and taxed, as any corporate transaction would be.

  20. vedrick von levesque
    August 23rd, 2003 @ 12:56 pm

    I just recently was the owner of a Wiccan church called Coven of the Lightning Skies and am looking to re-open it some day in both Boise, Idaho and in Hampton, Virginia. Not too long ago, a member of my congregation was being discriminated agaenst for being a witch. The situation was that he was asked to read out loud to the class a scipt of his choice. He picked something from the Necronomicon. After reading his script he was asked to see the teacher privately in his office. The student and the teacher got into a big argument about religion and the student was called a satan worshiper. the teacher then grabbed a hold of the student’s penticle necklace in his fist and slammed his fist into the students neck. The student came to us with the problem so we had a talk with the school and they refused to talk to us about the situation. We had told the school that they could talk to us, being his spiritual counsel, or they could talk to our attorney. We also made it very clear to them that the student had every right to have spiritual, legal, or parental counsel involving this matter. They told us to go ahead and get our lawyer. The next time they heard from us was through a law firm in Virginia, even though the case was in Boise, Idaho at Capital High School, the ACLU of Boise, Idaho, the Human rights comission of Boise, Idaho, every news station in Boise, and two local newspapers. Also, they were contacted by three affiliated Pagan churches in the Boise area and concerned citizens of the Boise area. We also notified the Boise school district and told them that if they didn’t get the problem resolved that they would also be sued. To top it off, we requested that the student file charges of assault against the teacher, which he did. The school tried to play it down as a classroom disruption issue. We asked them how they saw this a a classroom disruption issue. They ignorantly stated that it was a disruption when he came to school wearing a pentagram necklace. We told them that if they felt it was disruption because he was wearing a religious necklace, that it was religious discrimination and grounds for a hefty lawsuit. This whole ordeal went back and forth between attorneys, the police department and press for a month. The school finally backed down and forced the teacher to type out an apology to the student for his actions, and the charges were dropped, as was the lawsuit. One thing that the school found out very quickly-Pagans are fair, quiet, and polite. We have been walked on for over two hundred years. We will not stand for it anymore. They found out if they want to mess with a Pagan, we don’t care if they are Christian or not, if they want tomess with us then we will show them what hell is by using our legal rights.

  21. Shane
    September 28th, 2003 @ 12:47 am

    I cant believe that people would call Wicca a spreading virus. So lots of you have to put down something because you wont take the time and truely study The Craft. I used to be a Christian and I converted because i felt Wicca spoke to me more than Christianity did. You all base your alegations that Wicca is wrong because your Bible says its wrong. There are factual documents that state that King James changed a lot of the verses in the bible to suit his own needs. One verse in particular would be…”Thou shalt not suffer a poisoner to live”, but it was changed to “Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live”. This lead to many persecutions of witches and alsl Christians. Lots of people ask why this happened and where there any that were actually witches? Many of them were and many of them wernt. In the beggining of the persecutions which was around 1200-1300Ad, most of them were practitioners of the old faith. Then christian turned on christian for land,money, and much more wealth. Jealousy was another componenet of this rage that inspired the fires of the persecutuions. People say that these battles and persecutuons have ended but i say that they havent. In many ways people have to have the hatred in there heart to put others down for there faith because they dont understand the beliefs. So they act on this fear, this fear that pushes there adrenaline to hurt others. Lots say that they do it in the name of God. If they do hurtful things in the name of there god then they are showing that there god is also hateful. If peole actually did there history work they would know that christians and wiccans actaully got along in the old days. But whats happend next speaks for itslef. Greed,jelousy, and lust for power what drove this world mad. Our earth is filled with the blood of this fued and we all will pay for this in the end. So do to others what you would have them do to you. This comes from a male practicing wiccan of four years and more to come. May you all be blessed in the name of your God or Goddess, blessed be.

    Shane

  22. Eva
    September 28th, 2003 @ 1:14 pm

    but shane, baby, can’t you read? we are not xtians….we don’t have gods of any sex either…(neither do you, because there are no gods…)
    so, read again, shane. RA is only making fun of you, from an atheist perspective…

  23. shane
    September 29th, 2003 @ 1:07 am

    Eva, how do you know that their arent any Gods or Goddesses. Have you personally practiced Wicca or explored the many different types of God. You can try to make fun because you think there isnt any supreme power above you. All you are accomplishing is negativity and your spirit shows it. I dont say that you have to believe in a higher power but dont down or make fun of others just because they believe in a higher power. So what if people want to be spiritual,its there belief and nothing you say or do will cahnge that. So when you really think about it, your making fun of yourself because you have nothing better to do. Merry part and blessed be.

    Shane

  24. June
    September 29th, 2003 @ 8:31 am

    Shane, before you blow your mental nose in our general direction, take some time to actually study and think about this stuff. And please wipe your face, yechhhh!

  25. Eva
    September 29th, 2003 @ 11:53 am

    wow, June, thanks for this….for a moment Shane had me there, talking to his goddess, having convinced me to do that by means of his well reasoned arguments, and clarity of thought!!

    yechhh indeed!!!!!! hahaha!!

  26. Shane
    September 29th, 2003 @ 5:25 pm

    Eva and june……….i dont have to wipe my face for anything because im not ashamed of what i believe in. Also, Eva i didnt tell you to talk to my goddess or my god. You did that on your own time. Another thing, My Goddess and my God do have a sex to them Eva. June, I have studied the articles in here and you can make fun of it all you want but youll never know what others experience with the higher powers unless you do it yourself. Take that with a grain of salt and move on, blessed be.

    Shane

  27. Eva
    September 29th, 2003 @ 5:56 pm

    shaney, dahling….again, try to use for things other than pointy hats and hairy warts.
    did it ever cross your mind that most people writing here were religionists/believers at some previous moment of their lives?
    guess not…
    really, you talk about your experiences, but, indeed, the mind is a very powerful organ….it can make you believe in things that are pure fantasy, as if they were real…whatever human qualities your set of beliefs have are just that, purely human….all the supernatural stuff is made up, even if you believe in it…powerful stuff, by all accounts, but not real, unfortunately…
    deal with it.
    and get a sense of humor too, if you can.

  28. Khranus
    September 30th, 2003 @ 11:35 pm

    A WICCAN CHURCH?

    LOL!

    You people are the saddest bunch of hypocritical, and gravely mentally ill humans I’ve heard from in a long time.

    Do you even know what the essence of true shamanism is? It is an agnostic approach to the universe. Chaos.

    You people have no grasp of real magick, and never will, because you foolishly follow a religion that leads you into nothing but meaningless ritual and mind-mushing absolutism.

    I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but pretending like you’re some kind of a medaeval Gaelic/Welsh mystic isn’t going to get you far…

    In fact, it’s probably going to cause you sick retarded bastards to bring more twisted dogma and cruel crusading into this already war-torn world.

    Fuck you and your religion!

    J.A.M.M.

  29. Khranus
    September 30th, 2003 @ 11:37 pm

    BRING OUT THE JAMMS!!!!!

    MOTHERFUCKERS!

  30. Penguin
    September 30th, 2003 @ 11:50 pm

    Before I finally accepted all-out atheism, my last stage of transition away from Christianity was an exploration of Paganism. I still have a soft spot for Pagan traditions because of this, and because they have the potential to be very honest – while there is a broad spectrum of belief in Pagans, in my experience most people don’t actually believe in the Greek, Roman, Celtic, Norse, etc. gods that are named in ritual. Instead, they see them as archetypes that are valuable as just that. A lot of modern Paganism is about appreciating the inspirational power of the gods we MAKE UP. That’s a good step forward.

    Of course, while Wicca and other Pagan traditions do have room for atheistic interpretations, they also include people who seriously believe they can communicate and fly on invisible dragons and so on, which eventually turned me off from group practice – I couldn’t take anything literally and didn’t feel honest working with those who did. So, it’s back to the solitary life for me. “Atheistic Pagan who appreciates the gods we make up the same way we love fictional characters” is a pretty unwieldly and confusing title compared to “Plain old atheist who digs the fantasy genre.”

  31. Khranus
    September 30th, 2003 @ 11:58 pm

    Maybe you should smoke DMT.

    Then you’ll see that realities are plural, and you can do much more than you think.

    Atheism is just another religion.

    Fuck atheism!

    Fuck you dogmatists!

  32. Kafkaesqu
    October 1st, 2003 @ 6:25 am

    You seem quite dogmatic in your assertions about everyone, Khranus.

  33. Kafkaesqu
    October 1st, 2003 @ 6:25 am

    You seem quite dogmatic in your assertions about everyone, Khranus.

  34. Kafkaesqu
    October 1st, 2003 @ 6:25 am

    You seem quite dogmatic in your assertions about everyone, Khranus.

  35. Kafkaesqu
    October 1st, 2003 @ 6:25 am

    You seem quite dogmatic in your assertions about everyone, Khranus.

  36. Kafkaesqu
    October 1st, 2003 @ 6:25 am

    You seem quite dogmatic in your assertions about everyone, Khranus.

  37. Kafkaesqu
    October 1st, 2003 @ 6:25 am

    You seem quite dogmatic in your assertions about everyone, Khranus.

  38. Shane
    October 1st, 2003 @ 11:01 pm

    Kranus, i think you need a new vocabulary. Its seems to me that all you can say is fuck or motherfucker. You say that our gods and goddesses are made up . You have no proof of that allegations. I dont care what you say about wiccans,pagans,christians, or any other religion. All you are is mouth and you have nothing to back it up.

    Shane

  39. daniel
    October 7th, 2003 @ 9:20 pm

    visit one of our forested areas. look for the things you take for granted. life is a miracle. every breath you take is a gift. from what ever it was that set everything in motion. i dont subscribe to any particular belief.but there has to be hope .what are we without the hope that someday we will be with those we love. be it heaven or whatever.sure beats nothingness.

  40. Eva
    October 7th, 2003 @ 11:50 pm

    dearest danny….so, you seem to profess panteism….ok, that’s nice…..BUT, hope has nothing to do this atheism….,i think you are bringing here stupido xtian “arguments” to try to make atheists feel bad about atheism….
    thinking that somedaysomehow you will be able to reunite with persons that you knew in life is childish (ok, i’m getting nasty here) and pure wishful thinking.
    atheism does not equal nothingness. life for everybody is full of experiences, good or bad…..but nothingness is what everybody gets when we die….
    don’t ask for arguments, because you never gave any…

  41. PissedOff
    February 15th, 2004 @ 3:03 pm
  42. Guy
    October 16th, 2004 @ 11:26 pm

    Atheism should be lenient when it comes to scientific mysticism. The small amount of studies done on it show that (no, I don’t have any sources, I’m sorry) there is a legitimate brain change through Buddhist and Tantric practices. Spirituality doesn’t neccesarily refute science, and can acutually be very synergistic. As for Wiccans, come on, don’t kid yourself. Because something has some sketchy “ancient” background doesn’t legitimize it. A new religion would have much more of a chance at being provable and real, and belief in literal Gods and Goddesses is just silly.

  43. Raven
    February 2nd, 2005 @ 11:29 pm

    o my gosh!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    People should be able to represent there religion. So christianity isn’t her thing and i don’t blaim her! But that’s just foolish. these people threatinig her don’t even now the true stroy behind the pentagram. And u know what u people who are ignorant enough to call wiccans dirt and Satinists well u can go screw yourselves. So who cares if your an athiest or a muslum. People are still people. THis situation is like when blacks faught for their rights. Wiccians and other cultuers should be able to worship when and whoever they want. Without getting beat up!!!!

  44. Eva
    February 3rd, 2005 @ 10:00 am

    i didn’t know wiccans were into satin…i thought they were into black velvet…….

  45. Gemma
    January 17th, 2009 @ 12:18 pm

    For the love of you so called fucking God Todd sounds like a complete ass why the hell can’t he just let her be. Whats it matter is Rebecca chooses to believe in something few others around her do at least she belives in something thats a lot more then most people now a days. geez

  46. Erin Banks
    February 8th, 2009 @ 5:39 pm

    This is probably the worst thing I’ve found on the ‘net in years, and I just finished a graduate-level research project on racism and had to scour KKK sites to round out my bibliography. Good thing Jesus ain’t around to see this is dedicated to him, he’d probably want to sue.

  47. J T
    July 23rd, 2009 @ 7:29 pm

    what is wrong with you people, I’ve noticed that all a lot of atheists ever do is make fun of other religions, you don’t have the privelige to decide what others believe in. So instead of just attacking every other belief you happen to lay your eyes on, and just been close minded fools, why don’t you go and actually do something useful for the world. Oh and lemme guess you atheists still think homosexuality is still a mental illness right. Fools!

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  49. Kristin
    August 23rd, 2010 @ 1:36 pm

    Alright, let’s put this to bed. Wiccans are a bunch of pansy ass bitches! As a true pagan I am so sick of everyone going “witch… pagan.. oh you must be a wiccan!” No, real witches don’t follow that wiccan rede bullshit! You do what you do when you do it. And I swear to god if I hear one more fucking word about “the divine god and goddess”… ok, thats great you believe in a god and goddess… SHUT UP ABOUT IT! and what the hell is up with the cheesy ass “magick names”! back in the day witchs used fake names so that they wouldn’t get busted and burned… who is trying to burn you? I haven’t even seen anyone with a pitchfork! Stop trying to rebel against mommy and daddy and learn to be something other than a hippy-dippy mindless follower for once in your sad pathetic life. I am a pagan. I go by my real name. I don’t discuss my religious beliefs b/c it’s no ones business but my own. i don’t have magical powers or psychic abilities and neither do you.. you may want them, and pretend you have them…but you don’t. If you think you do then you are just crazy.

  50. Destinie
    February 1st, 2013 @ 12:40 am

    It makes me sad to realize how mean people are. I thought by now we were able to look past what makes us all different and enjoy how we are not the same. I never thought it ever mattered who believes in what religion. Unless you fully understand each religion perfectly you really should not judge. It close minded, ignorant, and rude. I have friends of many religions and backgrounds and I would never judge them because it’s something they enjoy. If it makes them happy then who am I to tell them what to feel or believe. My religion is a part of who I am but it is none of anyone one else’s business. I don’t understand why some of you people could be so rude. I have never been so disgusted with a group of people than I have now.

  51. Destinie
    February 1st, 2013 @ 12:51 am

    Kristin- you should be ashamed of yourself. As a Pagan you really should be more understandable of a person being discriminated against because of their religion. Pagans and Wiccans alike have been through so much religious segregation that they avoid judging other religions. The things you said were rude. Not everyone uses wicca to rebel against their parents. Some parents are okay or also practice craft. To say that it’s for cry babies who only want piss off mom and dad makes you even more close minded and than those who do not Believe in it at all.

  52. netizen_james
    February 19th, 2013 @ 4:27 pm

    What a poor witness for Jesus you are!

    You sound like a little kid.

  53. Jonathan
    August 27th, 2013 @ 6:14 pm

    What an awful school! Seriously, that brat Todd is a piss poor representation of his religion. And that is coming from a Wiccan (myself). I have nothing against any other religion. It is just childish and immature for people to be acting this way. This is the Twenty first century; this incompetence should of ended decades ago. Why, this behavior is just ridiculous. Even if you have a “problem” with another person’s religion/beliefs, that doesn’t give you any right to taunt or physically attack him or her! If you have such a problem, simply ignore the person or said religion. End of the problem. You don’t need to cause unnecessary drama or violence.

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